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Total newbie. Totally need some advice. Help me out?

SpiritChaser

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Hello! I’m brand new to the reptile world, but really interested in snakes. I was inspired by my friend’s red tailed boa (though he’s quite beautiful, he’s also quite large haha) and am seriously considering getting a snake. After poking around the internet people seem to think Corn snakes make good beginner snakes and most of the morphs I’ve seen are just gorgeous. I’d really like to get some advice from people with experience before picking out my new baby. I’ll list my questions below, and thank you in advance! :)

1. My biggest concern is definitely the fact that I currently have two pet dumbo-eared rats. Though my potential new snake would be housed on a different floor of the house, I’m worried that the smell of the rats on my clothes might confuse it or stress it out. I ALWAYS wash my hands before/after handling my rats, but they do climb all over me and not just on my hands. Does anyone have experience with a situation like this? Aside from being here first, the rats are very dear to me so getting rid of them would be out of question. If need be, I’d be willing to wait a few years for them to pass away (their life spans are tragically short) before getting a new pet.

2. Honestly, how difficult is it to keep a corn snake on a frozen/thawed diet? If necessary, I’d be willing to feed live, but would much prefer not to. Also, where does one usually acquire live feeders? Especially small ones like pinkies? I am NOT interested in starting a mice colony, as this would be a solitary pet snake, but would feel more comfortable with a reliable source of live feeders just in case I have trouble.

3. Is a 20gal long generally suitable for an adult-sized snake, and should a baby be kept in a smaller enclosure? I have an old 10gal fish tank I could potentially get a screen top for and convert to a terrarium if need be, and then size up when the snake is ready.

4. Any recommendations for hides and/or foliage to get? I’ve read you need at least two (one warm, one cool) and enough aspen bedding for burrowing, but do they generally prefer more open hides like a half-log or ones with only one small entrance?

5. Do you use combination basking light/UTH or just one? I’ve read that if you use both (UTH all the time and low-wattage basking light for daytime hours) they tend to come out to bask more so you can watch them.

6. Do you feed in a separate container? I plan to give the little guy/gal aspen for the enclosure to burrow and feel secure in, but have read that if it sticks to the feeders it can cause impaction.

7. I’ve read up on large scale breeders who ship their snakes overnight, is that safe? There’s a small reptile expo not far from my house every few months so ideally I’d like to get my snake there if it means I’ll be able to talk to the breeder. Is this usually the case or are snakes at expos usually sold by a third party like at a pet store?

8. Finally, I’d really like to order a few books about keeping corn snakes so any recommendations/links would be extremely helpful! Bonus points if I can get it on Kindle!

Thank you so much for reading my extremely long post, and any other tips you think a newbie might be interested in would be much appreciated!
 
Hi there im new to thie reptile world to u will get alot of good answers on this forum very helpful people ! As for your rats i have 2 gerbils and my baby corn hasn't showed any sign of stress relating to them so i think u will be fine but just make sure they are out the way once your snake gets a bit bigger and feeding on larger rodents lol im sure someone will answer your questions in more detail .
Good luck


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Welcome to the forum! Corn snakes make awesome pets, although you may find that they're aren't as personable as your rats.

1. My biggest concern is definitely the fact that I currently have two pet dumbo-eared rats. Though my potential new snake would be housed on a different floor of the house, I’m worried that the smell of the rats on my clothes might confuse it or stress it out. I ALWAYS wash my hands before/after handling my rats, but they do climb all over me and not just on my hands. Does anyone have experience with a situation like this? Aside from being here first, the rats are very dear to me so getting rid of them would be out of question. If need be, I’d be willing to wait a few years for them to pass away (their life spans are tragically short) before getting a new pet.

I don't think your snake would be stressed out by the smell of rats. The only thing I can think of that might be a problem is that the snake may be more inclined to bite if your hands smell like rodents. I think as long as you wash your hands in between handling the rats and the snake, you shouldn't have a problem.

2. Honestly, how difficult is it to keep a corn snake on a frozen/thawed diet? If necessary, I’d be willing to feed live, but would much prefer not to. Also, where does one usually acquire live feeders? Especially small ones like pinkies? I am NOT interested in starting a mice colony, as this would be a solitary pet snake, but would feel more comfortable with a reliable source of live feeders just in case I have trouble.

Corn snakes usually take frozen/thawed pinkies right out of the egg. If they don't take them right away, most breeders will work with them to get them eating frozen/thawed. Just make sure to ask the breeder if they're reliably eating frozen/thawed.

I don't know if you have any reptile stores near you, but they would most likely be your best bet if you had to get a live mouse, but I really don't think that will be an issue for you.


3. Is a 20gal long generally suitable for an adult-sized snake, and should a baby be kept in a smaller enclosure? I have an old 10gal fish tank I could potentially get a screen top for and convert to a terrarium if need be, and then size up when the snake is ready.

A 20 gallon long tank with a secure mesh lid will be perfect. Some people prefer to put babies in a smaller enclosure, which is also fine, but I've used 20 gallons for my babies with no problem. Just make sure to give them lots of hiding places if you decide to use a 20 gallon.

4. Any recommendations for hides and/or foliage to get? I’ve read you need at least two (one warm, one cool) and enough aspen bedding for burrowing, but do they generally prefer more open hides like a half-log or ones with only one small entrance?

The dollar store is GREAT for finding fake foliage. Fake leaves make really nice ground cover for a scared baby snake and will encourage it to move around, rather than just hiding all the time. Two hides would be the minimum, but really, the more you have, the better. Toilet paper tubes are a cheap option, as well. Corn snakes usually prefer the less open hides, like the cave ones.

5. Do you use combination basking light/UTH or just one? I’ve read that if you use both (UTH all the time and low-wattage basking light for daytime hours) they tend to come out to bask more so you can watch them.

I only use a UTH. Corns don't really bask, so a heat lamp isn't really preferable. It works for some people, but I prefer a UTH.

6. Do you feed in a separate container? I plan to give the little guy/gal aspen for the enclosure to burrow and feel secure in, but have read that if it sticks to the feeders it can cause impaction.

I feed in a separate container. Something like a deli cup or a sandwich container will work for a baby corn snake. Lots of people feed in the enclosure, but I prefer not to.

7. I’ve read up on large scale breeders who ship their snakes overnight, is that safe? There’s a small reptile expo not far from my house every few months so ideally I’d like to get my snake there if it means I’ll be able to talk to the breeder. Is this usually the case or are snakes at expos usually sold by a third party like at a pet store?

Most of the snakes I own have been shipped to me with zero problems. Personally, I would scroll down the forum and go to the classifieds section. There are a lot of great breeders on here, and many of them can give you details about their babies, even if you can't see them in person first.

I would also recommend you check out the BOI on faunaclassifieds.com. There are reviews of many breeders there, and you can check out their reputation before you send any money.


8. Finally, I’d really like to order a few books about keeping corn snakes so any recommendations/links would be extremely helpful! Bonus points if I can get it on Kindle!

Probably the most recommended reading material is the Corn Snake Manual by Kathy and Bill Love.

Thank you so much for reading my extremely long post, and any other tips you think a newbie might be interested in would be much appreciated!
 
Most of your questions are easily answered with a little research (a single care sheet would probably do it), but I'm sure someone will answer them as well.

But for the first question, I keep mine in the same room as my gerbils. The snakes (or gerbils) don't seem stressed or aggressive. They can sometimes see the gerbils moving around and it holds their attention for a bit, but then they move on to their snakey wanderings. No striking or anything. All snakes are different, of course, but mine range from hatchling to seven years and none seem bothered by their rodent neighbors.
 
10 Gallon would be fine for now but PetSmart has a great deal going on where it's a dollar a gallon so 20g would be 20. Feeding frozen thawed is the best just to the mouse can't bite and scratch at your snake. Some snakes would rather climb on vines so maybe get some vines and a couple of hides. Yes you will want to feed in a separate container just so they don't bite at you when you put your hand in the vivarium. The light is not needed but you can use it. I'd suggest to get a uth, a probe thermometer and a dimmer switch. Expos usually have breeders that you talk to and purchase from.
 
Wow! Thank you all SO much for such immediate responses. I do have a very close source of frozen feeders but the nearest reptile shop is about 30 minutes away, so hopefully it won't come to that.
 
Wow! Thank you all SO much for such immediate responses. I do have a very close source of frozen feeders but the nearest reptile shop is about 30 minutes away, so hopefully it won't come to that.
 
Welcome to the forum! Corn snakes make awesome pets, although you may find that they're aren't as personable as your rats.

Oh I'm quite aware! I have my rats and dogs for all my cuddly-animal attention needs, but snakes I find are really beautiful to watch even if I won't be able to handle it all the time. I'm also super excited to start setting up interesting terrariums for my new pet!
 
Snakes need to be handled regularly so they get to know u and feel more at ease u dnt handle them wen there shedding or 2-3 days after feeding them :)


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So should I stop handling them as soon as their eyes go blue up until they shed completely?
And while we're on the topic, should I increase the humidity of the entire enclosure, or just provide a humid hide when shedding?
 
So should I stop handling them as soon as their eyes go blue up until they shed completely?
And while we're on the topic, should I increase the humidity of the entire enclosure, or just provide a humid hide when shedding?
 
When you get them and get their homes set up see how their shed goes first. If your humidity is pretty stable in the house and they shed okay no reason to do anything extra.
 
Thank you! This is all very helpful and I was able to download a few highly-rated books on my Kindle, so more reading it is! lol
 
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