Something that has happened (not hypothetical)

[Ricky87]

There are good examples of people with little or no formal education doing well and becoming vastly wealthy. Some of their stories are fascinating and very inspirational. But they are the exception to the rule. An education does not guarantee your success, but it definitely gives you opportunities that those without an education will never see.

We can also all find examples of very well educated people who have failed or appear to do foolish things. I’m a mathematician. It is well know that people who excel in mathematics are often poor spellers, myself being a great example. In my experience Medical Doctors often make very poor businessmen. They may be brilliant at brain transplants but lousy at managing the front office. That doesn’t make them stupid. It makes them poor businessmen.

I think several people in this discussion are looking at only the little pieces that fit their arguments and ignoring the rest of the pie.

Only as a counter-argument to provide a basis for the notion that degrees aren't the litmus test that some seem to think they are..I agree with you that an education is very valuable, and at the very least it provides a foundation for other avenues of your life..I just feel that true intelligence gains knowledge regardless. It can come from everywhere, especially in the technologically advanced society we live in. Good points though, and I agree with everything you said.

 

[Drizzt80]

Not to nit-pick an already nit-picked thread, but did you know that in 1954, Hemingway was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature with nothing more than a HS education? Just sayin.... :sidestep:

Did you know that in 2009, President Barack Obama was awarded the Nobel Prize in Peace for doing nothing more . . .

Just sayin . . . :sidestep:


D80

 

[ComoxCorn]

If you had read what Rham "Dead Fish" Emmanuel had said, you would know that he was not talking about retarding the rate at which something happened. He called a group of people "f***ing retarded". I do not understand how you can have no issue with this. Have you ever known someone, been friends with them/their family, who was/is actually mentally retarded.

Sorry Mike, but I missed that where Rham Emmanuel called a group of people that. Here is what I read in the original post.

Palin blasted Emanuel for calling an idea from some of President Obama's supporters "f---ing retarded" during an August meeting with liberal groups and White House aides.

Don't change the context in what was originally said, because I certainly would be offended if he called a group of people retarded. Fact is, he called an idea retarded which is a whole different thing. Just keeping you on track Mike.

As far as the notion that a portfolio full of degrees makes one person any better than the other is more insulting than using the word retarded. A degree doesn't make the person. In fact, isn't much of America's financial woes a result of all those economic degrees at work? :shrugs:

 

[TandJ]

I just too Wii tarded to continue reading this. I gots me, my GED ( thats no lie or joke ) and I gots me a Grade 9 edumacation.. I has me a learning disability too ( again, thats not a joke, I do.. )

However, I realize that if I might get a ahead, I realized that laying the boots to the dead was going to award me with nothing.. Rahm ba ding ding, will probably not live this down.. *lol* At least he will be remembered for something.. *LOL*

At some point, we all manage a foot in mouth moment, and this indeed has been Rahm's mouth full of hoof.. Hopefully Ms Palen remembers her priors of foot in mouth syndrome too.. ( thinks about the two Canadian radio Station Pranksters that really let our lady Sarah have it both barrells.. WTG Ms Palen )..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[KJUN]

GFunny how you can no longer debate the topic, so you assume things, attempt to insult based on those assumptions.

The what's the highest you got - and from what institute? If you do have a higher degree, why did you pick such a crappy (?) institute if you believe advance degrees are worth, and you infer, nothing? The PERSON makes the most out of what they have (GED or PhD). You would be you regardless of if you did/do have a higher degree.

More of that stellar reading comprehension you earned with your piece of paper, eh KJUN?

Haahaahaa. Admit it - you can't even tell what you meant the day after you made many of your posts. It takes a lots of guts (or false memories) for YOU to attack ANYONE's writing style or reading comprehension.

Your degrees have never done anything to impress me, and neither have you.

I'm still reading the rest of the posts, so maybe I'll see your OWN link to ANYTHING you have done that, in your own words, is impressive. Show me. Put up or be quiet. I have no intent to act in a manner that is impressive to a socialist - or any other type of thief (whether directly or through political means).

Anyone care to get back on topic and actually debate the subject, rather than make assumptions and veiled insults?:shrugs:

Aren't you the one that accuses political posts of being off-topic (my paraphrasing of your words) while putting images unrelated to snakes up online? Wait, wait, wait. Today is different. You change your story and spew forth trash about your NEW illusion being pravda. Well, I don't descibe to that paper.

 

[KJUN]

How does KJUN's posession of a degree in any way connect with the subject at hand, or the validity of the statements he has made? As far as I can see, it doesn't. That's not a generalization, and I sincerely apologize if you, or any other person, with or without a degree, took it that way.

You attacked people with degrees. I attacked your general hatred of people that worked hard and are more successful than you. THAT is the only point that I see. If I attack people that call their child "kid," wouldn't you defend your past actions? What's the difference.

Stop accusing everyone that earns success of possessing useless papers, being unethical, yadda yadda yadda. Start accusing YOURSELF for not doing enough to succeed IF you believe you aren't as successful as you want to me. NOTE - I'm not saying you are or are not successful. Only YOU can decide if you are. (If someone suck from the public trough without contributing, I have names for them. That's different from THIS topic, though.) If you are happy with your level, than I would define you as successful. (I don't mean you-as-in-chris. I mean you-as-in-anyone.)

If you are mad (as your words repeatedly vomited onto thread after thread indicate) because people have earned more than you, then maybe you should work as hard as they do. If you don't have the cognitive ability or physical stamina to do what you really want (that is in no way an insult - I have limits just as you and everyone else!), blame genetics and phenotypic plasticity - do NOT blame those with better talents. Don't hate them.

However, I suspect in your little mind all the obstacles are someone else's fault. Not overcoming them is never yours, right?

 

[KJUN]

:-offtopic

Speaking of Nobel Prizes, what exactly did our president do to deserve one?

It must be because he is half white. Dang whities get EVERYTHING.

Actually, look into the connection of monies from the US to the committee on making the decision. "Al Gore" is a hint. i won't state what I believe (I don't think I have to), but that'll lead you in a direction to let you decide for yourself if my concerns might be valid or if I'm just a complete paranoid.

 

[KJUN]

<------- is no college graduate, having partied wayyyyyyyyyyy too much....but even SHE knows what a dissertation is! (and has used the word before)

thesis:masters::dissertationhD


...but there are many nonthesis masters, but those aren't considered as "valuable" in the biological science. I'm not sure how they are looked at in other fields. I've never cared. Oh, I do know they are the NORM (or at least common) in many fields while they are the LESS common option in most of the biological fields.

 

[KJUN]

Not really the exception, though. Jane Auston didn't get past elementary school, and there are many more examples. I'm not trying to be argumentative with you, I'm just saying that a degree does not necessarily ensure the gift of writing.

That works both ways. One of the worst writers I've ever worked has an M.S. .....lol.

Chris is write. The paper doesn't mean you are GREAT in all caps like that. The degree still made him a DANG good biologists. Great friend. I learned a lot from him. The written word was just his WEAK point.

 

[KJUN]

Of course I do...It's the cog that drives the machine of Elitism right?...

I'm sorry, Ricky. Like many of the jobs you can do, would sitting in a class be degrading to you? (Sorry if Micheal said that instead of you. Since you often answer for him, I guess you can understand the confusion.)

love how you manage to do everything in your power to try and discredit someone so they're opinions seem less reasonable.

Usually, it isn't needed. People who hate those who earn a better education than themselves often do a good enough job of discrediting themselves.

FOR THE RECORD, I personally hate the direction the upper education system has been moving over the last 2 decades. I think they are getting weaker and weaker, but I'm just not silly enough to say they are worthless or hate the people that earn the degrees. It's a game. You play by the rules if you want to win. Even if the game is crooked to you, you play by the rules or don't be surprised when others win bigger pots. That's called life. It's also called reality.

 

[LBoz]

That works both ways. One of the worst writers I've ever worked has an M.S. .....lol.

Chris is write. The paper doesn't mean you are GREAT in all caps like that. The degree still made him a DANG good biologists. Great friend. I learned a lot from him. The written word was just his WEAK point.

Ummm....wut?

 

[KJUN]

No, but his head does :sidestep:

Mike's head is full of water because he's "lacks brains"? Would that be like me saying yours is full of blood since you are like a parasitic leech on the American economic system.

Let me guess - I crossed the line but your comment was perfectly OK. Do you REALLY want to open up the floodgates?

 

[KJUN]

School is free now

That isn't what MY TAX statement says!

 

[KJUN]

Also for you word smiths, a kidD is a small goat. A kiD is a small human.

It was really called a joke. It is also "wordsmiths." It's also a young human - not just a small one.

It's also "kid." See http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kid

"Kidd" is a name. See http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kidd

 

[KJUN]

Ummm....wut?

Awesome. Thank you. I actually proofread AFTER hitting submit in many cases. ...or not at all like today since I'm about to run out the house.

The truth is that my subconscious mind would NOT let me write (I started to put "right" for humor value), "Chris is right." It was difficult.


LOL.
KJ

PS-added. I tried to rep you, but I can't do it again yet.

 

[LBoz]

Just yankin' your chain a bit, KJ.

 

[Roy Munson]

That works both ways. One of the worst writers I've ever worked has an M.S. .....lol.

I almost typed out a response but LBoz and KJ summed up my points adequately. I don't understand why this topic needs to be discussed with such personal bitterness.

 

[Roy Munson]

Kronk caveman say: Learn fire from twenty people who know fire good. Learn fire on own good too. Know fire-- maybe no know hunt. Learn fire from twenty people no mean know hunt too.

 

[KJUN]

Just yankin' your chain a bit, KJ.

It was warranted, deserved, AND earned. I literally chuckled audibly. That's rare enough that Kasi walked in and asked, "What?"

Now, I just got back from the store, I just started the fireplace a blazing, and I'm leaving Kasi to stay warm while I go work outside in the water and the mud to get some yard work done while not raining.

That proves right there that some people with degrees are smart - and others slosh in the mud carrying bricks and landscape timbers instead of staying warm......lol.

See y'all after sunset (at the earliest). I have shrimp to boil once the daylight leaves me!
KJ

 

[Ricky87]

Mike's head is full of water because he's "lacks brains"? Would that be like me saying yours is full of blood since you are like a parasitic leech on the American economic system.

Let me guess - I crossed the line but your comment was perfectly OK. Do you REALLY want to open up the floodgates?

No I don't...Only truly evil people dwell in such a grotesque place..A place you clearly feel at home. I'm ashamed to read this, because you're only furthering the point that degrees say nothing about a persons mental ability. You're a horrible person, your morals are incorrect, and as always your words spew nothing but hate. You're a very hateful person and nothing you can contrive will tell me any different..You can't hide from your maker KJUN, and the grass that will cover you will certainly outlive your body..To speak of your soul, you certainly have none..Just a lot of nerve.