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Taken a turn for the worst. I need help/advice..

I have to speak up in support of the vet in question... I use it and have done for 6-7yrs now.
I have always found them to be extremley diligent in calling back if you have any questions/queries.
This year I had 2 snakes in with them, both pregnancy related problems, and they called me promptly at all times, through out both snakes stays and treatments...
Im absolutley certain, if you cannot get the vet in one practice the nurse will give you the number to the other practice, simply leave a message with the receptionist and the vet calls you back.....Never in all the years there have they NOT returned a call.
One occasion, the vet came out BEFORE his normal appointments at Cumbernauld, to see one of my egg bound snakes, I called him the evening before at the Falkirk practice, altho not able to speak to him immediatley he called me back once free (within 2hrs) and arranged this extremly kind gesture, in his own time.

Im absolutley certain if you wanted to speak with the vet, Leave a message with the receptionist and they do always call back.

Diamond... The bill is itemised;-)))

Den

PS... If you dont know for certain what made the snakes ill.... surely you should quarentine them all for longer than 2-3mths before breeding ANYTHING in your care???? Im sure its something you yourself has even said....
 
Post will be on till 24th Dec as normal.....So still possibility of arrival on Sat and Monday
They cannot stop posts as too many people rely on it for benefit payments being sent out.... :dancer:
Den
 
I agree to a certain extent Denise, I did say I wouldn't be breeding anything if I didn't know exactly what was wrong with the snakes. But I am certain we will be able to get to the bottom of this before that time comes, therefore I will still treat the snakes in brumation as though I were going to breed them. Cooling does no harm whether breeding or not.

I believe this is not viral, and so does my herp vet - although theres nothing on paper to confirm it. Am I missing parts of the autopsy or is it all there and I am not seeing something? I went through it all with my herp vet and he said he believes it was "just" a case of pneumonia. Theres no viral panel on the autopsy as far as I am aware. Only details of the bacterial cultures.

What do I do if there was no viral panel done? The report suggests it was not viral but does not confirm this... I cannot quarantine my snakes forever... that would be silly and I would simply not enjoy the hobby.

I am honestly trying to get to the bottom of this.
 
Denise said:
Post will be on till 24th Dec as normal.....So still possibility of arrival on Sat and Monday
They cannot stop posts as too many people rely on it for benefit payments being sent out.... :dancer:
Den
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Oh my mistake, I heard on the radio today that tomorrow was the last post day... Perhaps something, anything will show up afterall.
 
Tula_Montage said:
What do I do if there was no viral panel done?
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If there's been no viral testing done, it would appear that either your vet lied to you about getting virus testing done (various quotes from you, see post 470 of this thread), or you lied on the forum when you posted here saying the vet had requested paramyxovirus testing.

Tula_Montage said:
I am honestly trying to get to the bottom of this.
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Can you let us know when you'll get a chance to try phoning the vets again to confirm if a viral panel was done? That would be something useful that can help you get to the bottom of this. As Denise has said, this vets are VERY good at returning phonecalls. It's not necessary for you to speak to the particular vet who post mortemed Windsor, as details of the testing done will be on the notes of your account which can be accessed by any vet/member of staff (if they are not keeping sufficient notes then they are liable to be disciplined by the RCVS).
 
Well thats what I meant Jay. I thought Den meant we could continue posting things up until the 24th. So if they haven't sent it out by tomorrow then I wont get it before xmas!?

Toyah, the vet told me they had tested for paramyxo and it was negative (But theres nothing on the report which says this!) AND there were no inclusion bodies found... that part was on the report. So they told me it suggests that there was no virus present in Windsor. They do however believe it was a secondary RI infection (due to anything really) that had turned into pneumonia.
 
Tula_Montage said:
Well thats what I meant Jay. I thought Den meant we could continue posting things up until the 24th. So if they haven't sent it out by tomorrow then I wont get it before xmas!?

Toyah, the vet told me they had tested for paramyxo and it was negative (But theres nothing on the report which says this!) AND there were no inclusion bodies found... that part was on the report. So they told me it suggests that there was no virus present in Windsor. They do however believe it was a secondary RI infection (due to anything really) that had turned into pneumonia.
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None of this is making any sense anymore.
Too many contradictory post.
But reading between the lines, we are all safe from any virus..
MIKE
 
Theres nothing contradictory... re read my posts.

I don't think theres any reason to worry about a virus anymore.... But I don't have solid evidence.
 
[QUOTE=toyah;547340]Well, assuming that the vet has not done a viral panel (Elle still needs to call the vet to confirm this), this is not the only mistake Lynn and Elle have blamed on the vet. This is on top of what Lynn said earlier, that the vet made a mistake in not doing bacterial tests on her snake until after antibiotic treatment. And Elle comments in her last post that the vet did not even offer her more aggressive treatment for Windsor (the treatment given was no cultures or sensitivity testing done, just two weeks of baytril, then two weeks of no treatment at all, then euthanisation), and that he was put to sleep when another vet would have attempted treatment. This does seem to make the vet out to look very bad (which is odd as I've only heard good things about this vet practice before).

If Noir was ill with paramyxovirus and is now recovered, he will continue to shed the virus for up to ten months. I am sure the vet would do a full viral panel on him and get a rush on the results in order to provide a more conclusive answer - after the trio of major errors blamed on this vet practice I am sure they would be happy to try and fix at least one of them for you.


Edited to add: I just want to make it clear that I am NOT blaming the vet for any of these alleged errors - I am simply going off the information provided by Elle and Lynn. I have never used this particular vets as I have had no reason to, but if I did have an ill snake I would not hesitate to take my own snakes to this practice.[/QUOTE]


Just to factually re-itterate AGAIN...( and yes i know i said i wouldnt post agin but the facts here are getting increasingly marred and im sick of people saying i blamed the vets for anything) i have only ever had issue with the time of the tests on my carpet python shug... some people on RFUK even suggested i didnt pay for the treatment which frankly i felt was ludicrous...


it is 100% correct that SHUG was taken in for critical care to Lawrie vetinary practice the FRIDAY after the THURSDAY windsor was euthanised ( 24 hours just so that doesnt also get confused).. i was told tests would be carried out.. eg lung washes and bloods... i ASSUMED they would be done immediately.. I am not a vet but it makes perfect sense to me that they would be done BEFORE treatment was begun or else the medications COULD kill off any bacteria...

Im not sure WHY they waited till the following week.. however how can that issue be MY fault... and actually TOYAH you TOLD me they were at fault for waiting till after medications were given for a number of days... you said this to me on the phone... and also a different vet at the practice agreed with me AFTER the tests results were back that it would have been far more beneficial for them to be carried out before medication had begun.. i wonder if it wasnt possible for them to carry out the tests on the friday so they decided rather than waiting to do testing on SHUG on the monday meaning he would have another 3 to 4 days with NO treatment to just begin treatment on the friday...

possibly they would prefer to save the snakes life than wait and do testing to find out what he had,.,, putting him in possible danger with that 4 day window of NON-care...

if thats the case im not annoyed at them.. IF however they COULD have carried out those tests on the friday then i believe ( as im sure any other sensible person would) they SHOULD have... how simple can this really be to understand,,

surely I am not laying ANY blame with the vet simply stating a fact...

ok well anyway... i DID say i wasnt coming back on the forums but felt it 100% imperitive i ONCE AGAIN ( and trust me its getting boring) cleared that up..


so one and all a merry and peaceful crimbo xxxx
 
Tula_Montage said:
Theres nothing contradictory... re read my posts.

I don't think theres any reason to worry about a virus anymore.... But I don't have solid evidence.
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Perhaps we live in different realities.......
........ One minute I was panicing ... What about them new carpets... how careful was I......
No answers to anything......
Then....

Oh It's O.K. now......
Did I miss a bit...
One really good thing came of all this though.
It's made me look at the way things can transmit and breed...
It's also made me tighten up on all my procedures..
And that's not a bad thing.
Like a sort of Herpie *FIRE DRILL*
MIKE
 
toyah said:
If there's been no viral testing done, it would appear that either your vet lied to you about getting virus testing done (various quotes from you, see post 470 of this thread), or you lied on the forum when you posted here saying the vet had requested paramyxovirus testing.
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surely all that needs to be done is a shift check of any statements/recipts from the veterinary practice in question, as yet i haven't come across a practice that doesn't supply its clients with an itemized account of what they have paid for, i'm pretty sure if i was to trawl through this thread or the one on RFUK i would find a posting advising us of what has been spent so far?!?
 
Well you should be careful about new purchases anyways! I don't believe for a second people properly quarantine every new purchase... and if they do, they don't do it for long enough. I know I didn't... but I damn well will now!

I think we have all learnt lessons, but me most of all... one of my beloved creatures is dead. And thats the price I had to pay.
 
DeepDiver said:
surely all that needs to be done is a shift check of any statements/recipts from the veterinary practice in question, as yet i haven't come across a practice that doesn't supply its clients with an itemized account of what they have paid for, i'm pretty sure if i was to trawl through this thread or the one on RFUK i would find a posting advising us of what has been spent so far?!?
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Actually, this is going to sound like a complete cooincidence, but I didn't get a detailed recipt for Windsors initital autopsy, just a single £93.something figure. I asked for an itemised list and the receptionist said she wasn't able to print it out at that point in time... why I do not know as I had been given itemised reciepts for all my other visits. I will chase this one up too!
 
DeepDiver said:
surely all that needs to be done is a shift check of any statements/recipts from the veterinary practice in question, as yet i haven't come across a practice that doesn't supply its clients with an itemized account of what they have paid for
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Yes, you'd think that it should be easy enough for Elle to check earlier - but at least she seems to have more information now.

Elle, since I assume you have spoken to the vet since the 17th (as of post 465 you didn't have any viral results back and indeed did not know if any viral testing had been carried out, and now you have been informed verbally of the paramyxo result), can I ask what other viruses were tested from, was a viral panel carried out?

I'm glad to hear that the vet has carried out some viral testing though. You have my fax number, but I can give it to you again if necessary. Can you arrange for me to get a copy of the virus result sent please? The vet will have a paper copy of this available to him.
 
Tula_Montage said:
Actually, this is going to sound like a complete cooincidence, but I didn't get a detailed recipt for Windsors initital autopsy, just a single £93.something figure. I asked for an itemised list and the receptionist said she wasn't able to print it out at that point in time... why I do not know as I had been given itemised reciepts for all my other visits. I will chase this one up too!
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what a complete co-incidence :sidestep:

sounds like your veterinary practice is going to be busy chasing up reports and receipts
 
Tula_Montage said:
Actually, this is going to sound like a complete cooincidence, but I didn't get a detailed recipt for Windsors initital autopsy, just a single £93.something figure. I asked for an itemised list and the receptionist said she wasn't able to print it out at that point in time... why I do not know as I had been given itemised reciepts for all my other visits. I will chase this one up too!
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Hey you over there...
Stop digging....
Put the shovel down ....
and walk away from the hole....
I think the time has come for us to draw a line under this one.
We all seem to know the out come.
So it's time to walk away.......
MIKE
 
snakewispera snr said:
Hey you over there...
Stop digging....
Put the shovel down ....
and walk away from the hole....
I think the time has come for us to draw a line under this one.
We all seem to know the out come.
So it's time to walk away.......
MIKE
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thats what a number of people would like to happen but in reality there is a need for the results to be posted just so that everyone has chance to read through the reports and get a comprehensive understanding of what tests have been done and in turn what results if any are conclusive.

to walk away from this now after all the hassle caused to those that weren't directly involved, and finger pointing (behind the scenes through PM's emails and phone calls) and attempts to lay the cause of this illness else where is wrong. there is a half-hearted apology from elle to toyah... yet i doubt we'll see one on RFUK.

certainly so far the thread has raised some key points about general husbandry and also quarantine of new additions... but it also for me, it will make me think twice about housing someone else's snakes if this is the sort of public come-back that i should expect to receive if things didn't work out.
 
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