You again are trying to compare the moon to a potato. A right and a paid service are not the same thing. I have a right not to be discriminated against under our constitution thus there are laws preventing it. I don't have a right to a doctor (a service paid for) so there are no laws saying a family doctor has to provide a service. I don't know, is there a right in Canada to have a doctor? If so then someone should be holding your gov to it because near 4% of the population doesn't have a family doctor under an all inclusive system. I would probably guess its not a right but rather just a paid for service. I could be wrong, I honestly don't know.
There isn't a right to see a Doctor. However, you're missing my point. It isn't about laws or constitutional rights. It's about intent. You're saying that the socialized medical system in Canada is failing because not everyone has a family doctor. Well, are you anti-discrimination laws failing because there are twice as many unemployed blacks as there are whites in the US?
(
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm)
If you think about it, it's not an apples and oranges scenario. Rights only really exist as abstract concepts, particularly if they're not protected. And as we've already discussed, the government has been sued, and lost, because of insufficient provision of health care.
You referenced rights and racism to which I commented there was national equality under our constitution but racism exists at an individual level. But to say systemic are you implying it is condoned and protected by law and is officially part of our federal system? That is obviously false. If you are using your broad police painting brush again to imply that because one white guy is racist all must be I won't waste anymore of my time.
It's only official in that it goes unpunished in many cases. Why are more blacks unemployed? Arrested? Convicted? Why do they received longer terms than whites? It's not officially sanctioned, but it
is systemic. Also, why do you keep bringing the police thread in here? Not only is it unrelated, but you are misrepresenting my original position and are forgetting how that went for me anyway.
I thought in the highlights you were starting to separate healthcare part from the money part, but then in the underlined part you tie the two together again. I guess it's the only real way of holding a socialized failing system in high regard. Because without the money factor tied in Canadian healthcare (not the $$$ part) is, to quote one of its very founders, "in crisis". Now if all you want to compare is cost Canada wins. When you do get service it's cheaper than in the US.
Health care costs money to provide, socially or privately. You cannot separate the costs from the product. Unless, of course, the cost of something is not a factor you consider when choosing a service or product, only the quality thereof.
Of course, the decline of quality in Canadian health care is not something that can't be fixed. I've already said every other country that has socialized health care is doing it better than Canada. Your criticism isn't so much a condemnation of socialized medicine than it is Canada's implementation of it. And so, we agree. Canada's health care system needs huge improvement.
Truthfully? I just don't care as long as we don't end up like Canada they can do whatever they want. What does my idealogical bias have to do with it? Is capitalism illegal in Canada? If not then it's simple ...
You clearly know nothing about Canada if that's something you can even say with a straight face. Canada is very much a capitalist economy. We just employ a lot more social programs than the US.
lots of people want to be doctors + great pay + low risk (ins) + no capitalistic restriction (private schools) = more doctors
Except that is not happening why? Who knows maybe they all want to be vets now since a dog can get an MRI with next day service in Canada.
:shrugs:
That makes no sense at all. Besides, capitalism isn't magic, it doesn't fix every problem. There is a health care crisis in the US, just like in Canada. Except yours is run by an unregulated private industry. So why isn't it working out if laissez-faire capitalism is supposed to be the best way?
