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Our first Anaconda Hognose hatchlings

DeadMouse

Hungry, hungry Hognose!
I know I don't post here much these days but I thought I would share our excitement over hatching out our very first Anaconda Hognose'. While mine aren't the most outstanding specimens that are being produced out there, they are still ours and that's all that matters to me. :)

This is the first one that hatched out:
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Here's another that was venturing out earlier amongst his peaking siblings:
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Thanks for looking!
 
You're right, those aren't top quality. They barely even qualify as cute :( You should just distribute them among charitable CS.com members such as myself who will tolerate their low-quality appearances rather than try to sell them, a feat I predict will be difficult for you.
 
You're right, those aren't top quality. They barely even qualify as cute :( You should just distribute them among charitable CS.com members such as myself who will tolerate their low-quality appearances rather than try to sell them, a feat I predict will be difficult for you.

Well, I know you are being facetious but the truth is, there are quite a few people out there that are producing some truly awesome looking Anacondas with a lot of vanishing pattern type of stuff going on. Don't get me wrong, I love what we're producing and I'm very thankful that we've proven our Anaconda male out, but being objective about it all, our hatchlings pale in comparison to what my peers are currently producing which are truly amazing.
 
Well, I know you are being facetious but the truth is, there are quite a few people out there that are producing some truly awesome looking Anacondas with a lot of vanishing pattern type of stuff going on. Don't get me wrong, I love what we're producing and I'm very thankful that we've proven our Anaconda male out, but being objective about it all, our hatchlings pale in comparison to what my peers are currently producing which are truly amazing.
Well I still extend my offer to kindly take one off your hands, if it causes you such grief:dancer:
 
Congratulations, Troy! Will there be lots of variation within the clutch, as to how much vanishing the hatchlings have? In the market, are there people that prefer a lot of pattern, as opposed to vanishing, just like there are people that like striped corns, not vanishing corns?
 
Sooo cute. :)

Thanks Jen! That's why we're hooked on hoggies, they are just so darn cute. :D

Congratulations, Troy!

Thanks Nanci!

Will there be lots of variation within the clutch, as to how much vanishing the hatchlings have?

You know, that's really the thing. The Anaconda line is so variable, it's really a toss up as to what you might get. Considering that all of the original Anacondas that were sold came from Brent Bumgardner 2 years, I wouldn't say that there's a lot in the means of genetic variability as to what the males are currently passing along, so it has to be the females that are causing a lot of these really interesting vanishing patterns from other collections. That's not to say that Brent hasn't produced some of these same weird patterns himself, but from what I remember, the original stock that he sold in 2008 had a fairly common pattern to them.

I can tell you this, judging from the looks of the 3 Anacondas that I have hatched out so far, there's not a lot of variance between them. There's no doubt that they are indeed Anacondas and it helps to determine this fact that all Anacondas, as I've been told by Brent, have completely solid bellies. I can verify this as fact as both our original Anaconda and our Superconda both have solid bellies and that all of our hatchling Anacondas are exhibiting this trait while the normals from the same clutch are exhibiting the typical checkered bellies.

A fellow hognose breeder and friend of mine in Germany has bred their Anaconda to some of their Toffeebelly morphs and they have produced some very outstanding vanishing pattern Anacondas. Here's a thread he posted on the BLBC site showing off some of his newly hatched Anacondas: Link

One thing that will be interesting to find out is we just got a second clutch of Anaconda eggs from a Blond female that we bred to our Pink Pastel last year and almost all 6 of those hatchlings have some amount of striping. Here's the best looking one showing off her striping:

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If it is in fact the Blond female's genes that is causing this to happen, then I should be able to throw some wild looking Anacondas from that clutch. The only caveat is that since I bred her last year to our PPA, it's possible she might have retained sperm from him and that this clutch might be more het PPA's. But I did see her and our Anaconda physically hooked up, so I've no doubt that she was inseminated by him as well.

In the market, are there people that prefer a lot of pattern, as opposed to vanishing, just like there are people that like striped corns, not vanishing corns?

To be honest, I'm not really sure what people are looking for in the Anacondas but I would probably venture to guess that they are looking for the reduced pattern animals over the atypical ones such as mine since those are the ones that seem to draw more comments on the KS hognose forum. But the genetics are virtually the same for Anacondas, so it basically comes down to personal taste as far as on the looks of the individual. It's not really an issue with me anyways as I'll be holding back all of our Anacondas because their mother is a supposed 100% het Albino. So now I'll try to prove out the het on these guys and hopefully produce some Albino Anacondas. :D

All in all though, I hope I'm not coming across as being disappointed at all by what we're hatching. That is simply not the case! We're very ecstatic over here about producing our own Anacondas. This is also the first actual visual morph we've produced, so that's exciting in it's own right! :)
 
I think the little guys are adorable :). I know nothing about hognose snakes--including how such a big, husky looking snakeling can hatch from such a relatively small egg! LOL!

I like their looks, btw.
 
I think the little guys are adorable :). I know nothing about hognose snakes--including how such a big, husky looking snakeling can hatch from such a relatively small egg! LOL!

I like their looks, btw.

Thank you!

It was their looks that originally attracted us into purchasing our first pair, well and from what I read about them playing dead (which is actually quite rare to see in adults and not that common amongst hatchlings other than perhaps their first day they get handled). But after getting our first ones, we just totally fell in love with their personalities which was quite different than what we were used to having had corns, kings and balls in the past and just started building up a very serious collection of all the types of morphs that we could get our hands on as well as afford. Because of these traits, we're slowly considering selling off some of the other species we have just so we can work almost exclusively with just the hognose. They have that much of a stranglehold on us. ;)

And isn't it amazing what all can fit into those little eggs? I know I'm always amazed as well as feel a little claustrophobic when I think what it must be like to be all scrunched up into such a small space. :)
 
I don't know- I like your baby's slightly aberrant pattern a lot.

:) Thanks! I'm just happy when they are all healthy and hopefully will eat without any problem. Of course this is when the real work begins, right? You're in the same boat now with all of your hatchlings too. ;)
 
Ahhhhh I want one!!! They're just TOO CUTE! :D They're the first anaconda hognoses I've seen so I really don't know what you're talking about when you say they're low quality. I think they're just precious! Hognoses have always been cute little buggers but I love this anaconda pattern on them, makes them even cuter!
 
They're so NEAT! I really like the look of the first one, even if it's not as "extreme" as some that are coming out now. It's a really nice looking little baby!
 
These guys & gals look GREAT! I dunno why you think those are "low quality" because I love them! And congratulations on hatchling them!!!

Think you will have hognoses for sale this year?
 
Thanks for all of the kind words!

I would first like to address the "low quality" comments that people seem to think that I have concerning my hatchlings. Actually, I never said that and I really don't think that at all. What I do think is that they are very typically patterned in comparison to the first generation of Anaconda hognose that were sold two years ago. I might have misconstrued what I meant when I said that they weren't "the most outstanding specimens that are being produced out there", I didn't mean it to convey that I thought my hatchlings were low quality or anything like that. I was merely trying to be humble in not trying to build up my animals too much as I've seen other people do when they show off their stuff, especially in light of the fact that there are some truly remarkable Anacondas being produced this year. So, for me, it's more of a humble thing than a critical or jealous one. :)

Ahhhhh I want one!!! They're just TOO CUTE! :D They're the first anaconda hognoses I've seen so I really don't know what you're talking about when you say they're low quality. I think they're just precious! Hognoses have always been cute little buggers but I love this anaconda pattern on them, makes them even cuter!

Well, in case you are unfamiliar with the Anaconda gene then, I will tell you that it is a Co-Dominate gene and the Anaconda is actually the lesser, or het, if you will, form of the Superconda which is a completely patternless hognose with the exception of the head pattern.

If you haven't seen what a patternless Superconda looks like, check out my two threads on ours:
Superconda Super-Package
Twix Progression - Eating pix

Now consider making patternless color morphs like Albinos, Pink Pastels, Axanthics and even Snows. It's going to happen eventually as there are already an Albino Anaconda, a Pink Pastel Anaconda (dubbed a Pink Panther) and an Axanthic Anaconda all owned by Brent who was the first to produce the Anaconda line. These are definitely exciting times for us hognose fanciers!

Very Cool Troy! Congrats!

Someday I'll own a "Rextiles" hoggie..

Thanks a lot Gene! It would honor me for you to have a Rextiles hoggie. :)

They're so NEAT! I really like the look of the first one, even if it's not as "extreme" as some that are coming out now. It's a really nice looking little baby!

Thank you!

I took actually like the typical Anaconda pattern too as it's what attracted me in the first place to invest in our Anaconda when they were still at their original price of $3500. I'm just a bit blown away though at just how variable other people's Anacondas are. It's an amazing thing to see what other breeders have produced just this year alone and only time will tell just what the limits are on this gene.

So stinking cute, Troy!!! I can't wait to get a hoggie :)

Congrats on the new babies!

Thanks a lot Nichole!

I'm willing to bet that you won't go home empty handed. :) But you sure better share some pics with me if you do get one at the show. ;)

These guys & gals look GREAT! I dunno why you think those are "low quality" because I love them! And congratulations on hatchling them!!!

Think you will have hognoses for sale this year?

Thanks a lot Betsy!

As it stands, I have at least 6 normals that have hatched out from this clutch that I'm going to part with as I have more than enough normals to work with. So yeah, I'll hopefully have some for sale once I get them established.

Now I just need to try getting my Fedex shipping certification again. :smash:
 
Well, in case you are unfamiliar with the Anaconda gene then, I will tell you that it is a Co-Dominate gene and the Anaconda is actually the lesser, or het, if you will, form of the Superconda which is a completely patternless hognose with the exception of the head pattern.

If you haven't seen what a patternless Superconda looks like, check out my two threads on ours:
Superconda Super-Package
Twix Progression - Eating pix

Now consider making patternless color morphs like Albinos, Pink Pastels, Axanthics and even Snows. It's going to happen eventually as there are already an Albino Anaconda, a Pink Pastel Anaconda (dubbed a Pink Panther) and an Axanthic Anaconda all owned by Brent who was the first to produce the Anaconda line. These are definitely exciting times for us hognose fanciers!

Wow, thank you for explaining! Those other morphs do sound really awesome, but I still really like and rather prefer your hatchlings as I have a soft spot for spotted animals ;)
 
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