A few nice normals

[gardenmum]

Here are four of my normals I kept back from 2005.

The first one here is the male from a pair I kept from my amel motley het butter & hypo X normal het motley & hypo clutch.

As I said, this first one is the male and is a motley. His name is Jake.

 

[gardenmum]

This is the sister to the one above.

I am looking forward to breeding these two together next year to see what I get.

 

[gardenmum]

These are sisters from my Miami male X Snow mot/stripe female. The darker colored one has been giving me fits with her eat one meal and skip three since she was born. But, happily, she has suddenly started to eat every meal now for the past 4 feedings so I am hoping to put the weight on her finally. I was hoping to be able to breed for miami motleys and striped with them but the only male I had died as a hatchling. So, I will have to look for a suitable male for them I guess.

 

[bigaaron17]

nice snakes.. looks like the first one ripped his jaw off

 

[Roy Munson]

I like them all. That motley is great looking, and I really like the banded look on the Miami x Snow offspring. Good to hear that the dark one is turning around.

 

[lolli]

nice pics and even nicer snakes! love that last pic! "you lookin at me?" :grin01:

 

[CornCrazy]

Gorgeous normals, Dianne! I thought I'd let you know that I have some Miami's het striped or motley. I will probably be breeding them this year. I hope to have some really nice babies!

 

[robin h]

I'm just curious, do you use that wood-floor-substrate(don't know how I should call it) in all your vivs?

I am getting tired of those stupid wood-chips, so just want to try something else , you're substrate seems more natural too..

I really don't like the look of papers and paper towels, so I was thinking about this forestfloor substrate-thing

Maybe you could post some more pics of your vivs....

nice snakes too

 

[gardenmum]

Thanks everyone for the nice words.

Gorgeous normals, Dianne! I thought I'd let you know that I have some Miami's het striped or motley. I will probably be breeding them this year. I hope to have some really nice babies!

COOL! I will more than likely be wanting to get a male one from you so keep me posted on those guys......not that we don't keep in contact on our breedings anyway...lol.

Thanks for telling me.

I'm just curious, do you use that wood-floor-substrate(don't know how I should call it) in all your vivs?

I am getting tired of those stupid wood-chips, so just want to try something else , you're substrate seems more natural too..

I really don't like the look of papers and paper towels, so I was thinking about this forestfloor substrate-thing

No, this is not a wood substrate in any of my containers. This is a "photo box" that I made up for taking natural looking pictures of my snakes indoors. This is actual top soil and ground cover taken from our woods where the pine forest is. I skimmed the top layer of dirt and natural ground scatter from the forest floor and made up this box and added rocks and moss.

I use aspen in my snakes containers, it makes for easy cleaning and odor control. I used to use paper towels or newspaper because it was cheaper but the snakes would poo under the paper sometimes and it would stick to the container and make for harder cleaning. Also, the newspaper would make the snakes blackened and I didn't like that. I tried the aspen and have never gone back to anything else. The wood chips dry out the poop so it doesn't smell and doesn't make a mess so is very easy to scoop out of the container for spot cleaning. Also, if their water gets spilled by accident you don't end up with a mushy pile of soggy paper and a damp snake.

As far as the forest floor substrate, I use it in my 55 gal. and three 20L tanks and I like it, it looks more natural and does the same thing as aspen. It is just more expensive and not necessary in the racked containers. But, I do put aspen under the warm side hide as I find that aspen gives a much better heat retention and also barrier from overheating and is much easier for them to burrow into. They can easily burrow down to whatever level in the aspen they feel is the warmth they need.

 

[ghosthousecorns]

Nice, nice snakes..
I couldn't help but notice in the one pic the snake is swallowing a mouse and there's a stick right there, I hope you are careful about substrate ingestion. Very nice natural background but maybe not the best to feed in...

 

[CornCrazy]

COOL! I will more than likely be wanting to get a male one from you so keep me posted on those guys......not that we don't keep in contact on our breedings anyway...lol.

As you said...we always keep each other posted on our breedings. Of course this will be NO different! Now you can be just as excited about them as I am!

 

[robin h]

So, if I'm right, you would advise to try aspen bedding in my racks...

I have never seen it before(heard of it though), maybe because I didn't look for it

Well, maybe I should try it, the woodchips I use, sort of stop the heat coming off the heat cable, so my cages will not get much warmer then about 24 or 25 degrees Celsius...

I have tried papers last weeks, but the result was a "damp" snake, as you metioned, snakes crawl under the papers and move the waterbowl....maybe I should use heavier ones then the plastic ones i am using right now.

I will look for the aspen bedding stuff, I like the fact that they can hide in it, too

thanks for sharing your experiences

regards, robin

 

[gardenmum]

Nice, nice snakes..
I couldn't help but notice in the one pic the snake is swallowing a mouse and there's a stick right there, I hope you are careful about substrate ingestion. Very nice natural background but maybe not the best to feed in...

Don't worry, this is just a photo box and not where the snakes are normally fed. I wanted pics of certain snakes but some would not cooperate so I fed them so they would stay for some pictures. And, yes, I was very careful that they did not swallow any large foreign objects. But thanks for you concern.

On the same note, although I am careful of feeding my snakes where they won't injest bedding, we all have to remember that in the wild a snake does not brush the foreign objects off its prey before it eats it. It would be foolish for us to think that they don't injest bits of the flooring in which they caught their prey. I am not saying we shouldn't care that they could injest something that would cause a problem but that in reality snakes do injest bits of "earth".

 

[CornCrazy]

Dianne,

I just thought I'd let you know that I will try to get some pics of my Miami's today. They aren't the brilliant red/gray that Carol's are, but they are pretty nonetheless! Hopefully they will produce an extra motley, stripe, or striped-motley male for you! I'm not sure which they are het for, so those are three I might get! I kind of hope they are both het stripe. Striped Miami's would be cool

 

[gardenmum]

So, if I'm right, you would advise to try aspen bedding in my racks...

I have never seen it before(heard of it though), maybe because I didn't look for it

Yes, I have tried different methods and in my personal opinion aspen has produced the most satisfactory results for me.

Hmmm.... don't know if they carry aspen in Holland?? :shrugs: If not, maybe you can find something similar, I don't know.

I have tried papers last weeks, but the result was a "damp" snake, as you metioned, snakes crawl under the papers and move the waterbowl....maybe I should use heavier ones then the plastic ones i am using right now.

LOL..yep, soggy paper is not fun.

Yeah, a heavier dish I am sure would be best. What I use, in my racks only, is plastic dog dishes. The ones that have the open grip space on two sides. These double for hides as well as water holders AND are large enough for the snake to curl up in for a soak when it feels like it. But, they are not asthetically pleasing so are not really nice for visual vivs such as aquariums. AND ALSO, I have a heated room kept between 81-84 degrees so I don't need two hides. If I used these dishes in a viv with a UTH, then it would have to be used as the cool side hide. In my aquarium vivs I use ceramic dishes.

thanks for sharing your experiences

You''re welcome. Hope you are able to find it and it works for you.

 

[ghosthousecorns]

Don't worry, this is just a photo box and not where the snakes are normally fed. I wanted pics of certain snakes but some would not cooperate so I fed them so they would stay for some pictures. And, yes, I was very careful that they did not swallow any large foreign objects. But thanks for you concern.

Sorry if I came across as preachy. I agree in the wild they must swallow a lot of stuff since they don't exactly hunt in a tupperware-lined environment.
I lost my first corn to a substrate ingestion and I was just a bit surprised at the feeding pic. Should have realized you probably knew better

 

[gardenmum]

Sorry if I came across as preachy. I agree in the wild they must swallow a lot of stuff since they don't exactly hunt in a tupperware-lined environment.
I lost my first corn to a substrate ingestion and I was just a bit surprised at the feeding pic. Should have realized you probably knew better

No worries at all. I didn't take it as preachy but just thought I'd respond to it since it is not how I feed.

Dianne,

I just thought I'd let you know that I will try to get some pics of my Miami's today. They aren't the brilliant red/gray that Carol's are, but they are pretty nonetheless! Hopefully they will produce an extra motley, stripe, or striped-motley male for you! I'm not sure which they are het for, so those are three I might get! I kind of hope they are both het stripe. Striped Miami's would be cool

Sounds great to me!! I will be checking with ya to see what you have then, hopefully a nice male or two and ones that don't decide to go on the hunger strike problem...lol.
THANKS!

 

[CornCrazy]

Well...it looks like it will be tomorrow before I can get the pics. It's taking longer than planned to get other stuff done today

 

[CornCrazy]

Well...I finally had a minute to post a couple of pics. Dianne, these are pictures of my female, Carman. The male was in blue phase so I'll have to get you some pics later.