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"Agressive and poisonous Nile Monitor..."

Still this is not a cuddly lizard, and if it wanted to it could seriously harm someone via a tail lash or a bite.[/QUOTE]

Cat can be cuddly (not imo) and they can seriously harm someone with a bite or with their claws.
 
tricksterpup said:
Please jones, get off your high horse on this, not everyone who deal with animals are experts in reptiles and know every species. So if the animal was confused with a Monitor. It happens, She followed up on the story as you stated. But Animal Control's job isn't to know the difference in a Monitor or a Tegu but to control and protect animals as well as people. To them it was a large predatory lizard and Florida has a large Nile monitor problem.

It not about being an expert, it's the ignorance that was spread because some one couldn't check the ID of the lizard before they put it on TV. How many people are now thinking that Niles are venomous. Every bad news report is another nail in the coffin. I like the view on my high horse, so no I will not get down. :)
 
reptile_jones said:
It not about being an expert, it's the ignorance that was spread because some one couldn't check the ID of the lizard before they put it on TV. How many people are now thinking that Niles are venomous. Every bad news report is another nail in the coffin. I like the view on my high horse, so no I will not get down. :)
*sigh*


http://research.leidenuniv.nl/index.php3?c=134#
enomous Lizards

22 November 2005

Four families of lizards and the suborder of snakes share a common ancestor which must have lived some 200 million years ago. Three of the lizard families were assumed not to be venomous, but researchers have now shown that within these five groups there are nine types of venom. An article on this subject appeared in Nature on 17 november 2005, to which a total of 14 researchers from six different countries had contributed. The Leiden biology student Freek Vonk was one of the contributors.


Venom glands
From among the extant reptiles there are two lineages which have for centuries been known by biologists to have venom-producing glands. These are the suborder of Serpents, the advances snakes of which there are 2500 to 3000 species, and the two members of the lizard family Helodermatidae, the Gila Monster and the Mexican Beaded Lizard. Snakes have venom glands in their upper jaws, and lizards in the lower jaws.

Independent
It is generally believed that these two groups have developed their venom systems separately from one another. With snakes this is thought to have happened some 60 to 80 million years ago. Because the two species of lizards mentioned have their venom glands in the lower jaw, and since no close connection was ever made between these two groups, it was assumed that lizards had developed their venom system some 100 million years ago, independently of the snakes.

Bacteria
The authors of the article in Nature present two other lizard families with venom glands, the monitor lizards (Varanidae) and the iguana's (Iguania). ‘The Commodore Lizard (Varanus komodoensis), for example, is said to have fifty different types of toxic bacteria swarming around in its mouth,' says Freek Vonk. When a lizard bites into his prey, he could pass these bacteria on and the animal could die within a very short time. 'But,' says Vonk, 'that's very unlikely because such bacteria take at least a few days to become effective, whereas the venom starts to affect on the animal within only a few minutes to a few hours.'

Same origin
The researchers show that all families of snakes and lizards which have venom glands come from the same origin. This means that the venom system in lizards and snakes must also come from the same origin. In order to demonstrate this, four obstacles have to be overcome. Firstly, the problem of the relationship between snakes and lizards. Secondly, the researchers have to determine which groups have venom glands. Thirdly, whether the venom glands are in the upper or lower jaw, and finally what the types of venom are and what their relationship is in evolutionary terms.

Genetic material
By researching the genetic material and the oral glands of snakes and lizards, the authors have found answers to these questions, and they can show that only the four families of lizards which are most closely related to snakes have venom glands. Three groups of lizards have venom glands in the lower jaw, the Helodermatidae, the Anguidae, the species to which the Dutch slow worm belongs, and the Varanidae. The fourth lizard family has venom glands in both the upper and lower jaw. These are the Iguanians, or the lizard types.

There are apparently nine types of venom in these groups of snakes and lizards. The analysis of the venom from the Lace Monitor Lizard Varanus varius shows that this venom has a dramatic effect on the victim's blood pressure, blood clotting and internal bleeding, and quickly causes lthe prey to lose consciousness.

Common ancestor
The lizard-like bearded dragon Pogona vitticeps has a venom system in both its upper and lower jaws. 'On the basis of this information, we assume that these four families of lizards and the suborder of snakes are descended from a common ancestor which must have lived some 200 million years ago,' explains Vonk. 'These creatures must have had a venom-producing system in both jaws.' According to this theory, the iguana are then the most primitive, because they have retained the ancestral system of venom glands in the upper and lower jaw. The other three lizard families went on to develop venom glands in the lower jaw, and snakes in the upper jaw.'

Also located at
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v439/n7076/abs/nature04328.html
 
hey guys lets not fall out over this, you both have very valid points. Yes everyone is entitled to make mistakes, and get the exact species of an animal wrong. But lets be fair here. as I said in a previous post it's stories like this that give people and children the wrong impression of reptiles and other animals in general. (My aunt met my corn the other day and refused to touch him because she thought he was slimey.)I nearly fell over laughing. Lets just agree to disagree on this one :cheers: :grin01:
 
LMFAO! I cannot believe animal controle mistook that tegu to be a freaking alligator! Maybe a monitor but an alligator? What the heck? I was not expecting that picture with the title.
And don't black and white tegus only get to be three feet? Its probably wondering where its owners were and when they were going to feed him. People are crazy...

On a second note...Thats a really nice looking black and white tegu. Now I want one even more! Despite how nasty they can be =)
 
Okeetee_Corn_Snakes said:
LMFAO! I cannot believe animal controle mistook that tegu to be a freaking alligator! Maybe a monitor but an alligator? What the heck? I was not expecting that picture with the title.
And don't black and white tegus only get to be three feet? Its probably wondering where its owners were and when they were going to feed him. People are crazy...
Here is the section that you are referring to.

"At first, I thought it was an alligator because of its coloring," said Animal Control officer Rob Currey. "When he popped his head up and hissed at me I realized he wasn't."

He realized after seeing the head it wasn't a gator but a black and white tegu has the same coloration as a young alligator.
 
1. That's a beautiful female black and white tegu. Much cleaner in terms of markings than ours.

2. Venomous? A TEGU? The cleanest-healing bite I've ever seen from any animal was the bite our tegu landed on my partner's finger in an SFE situation. No infection, no reaction, just several nice clean puncture marks. For that matter, it hasn't been PROVEN that Nile monitors have anything that can be called venom, let alone anything dangerous to a human.

3. She doesn't look aggro in the video - just hungry. A good big bowlful of grated fruit and veg (topped with some nice crunchy bugs) will make her a happy lizard.

Oh. Yeah. I've got a Nile too.
 
tricksterpup said:
Still this is not a cuddly lizard, and if it wanted to it could seriously harm someone via a tail lash or a bite.

By the way... yeah they are cuddly by lizard standards:

tegucuddle.jpg


This is our Domino - the same species, an Argentine black and white.
 
Ssthisto said:
By the way... yeah they are cuddly by lizard standards:

tegucuddle.jpg


This is our Domino - the same species, an Argentine black and white.
Yours is a hand tamed animal, place it in the wild for a few months and make it good and hungry and lets see the temperament then.
 
True enough. She'd probably turn very defensive - especially since we know our Domi does not like it outside much at all. It makes her scatty because she wasn't acclimatised to it as a baby. That said... she is also tame enough that she can be taken to schools for educational displays. Tegus make very GOOD "big lizard" pets for people who are prepared for the size they reach. Domino herself is 42" long.

But then again, just because the news report's tegu was 'wild' for a while and hungry doesn't make it aggressive or any more dangerous than a cat of similar weight.
 
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