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Amber...
- Thread starter Amanda E
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kocorns
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He is very nice.
He is a cutie pie. I am not sure what distinguishes(sorry, I can't spell) an amber from a caramel in looks, I know they are a hypo caramel, but aren't they supposed to be lighter? I just got one from Rich Z. and I know his are top of the line, but here is what he looks like....so my question is, how do you know if they are showing the hypo gene?
He is a cutie pie. I am not sure what distinguishes(sorry, I can't spell) an amber from a caramel in looks, I know they are a hypo caramel, but aren't they supposed to be lighter? I just got one from Rich Z. and I know his are top of the line, but here is what he looks like....so my question is, how do you know if they are showing the hypo gene?
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So Pirate55
New member
"how do you know if they are showing the hypo gene?"
usually by comparison to the caramels and other ambers within the clutch.
usually by comparison to the caramels and other ambers within the clutch.
Quigs
"Got R Did"
Amber is a Hypo Caramel.
Hypo reduces the black pigment (melanin) drastically, also seems to lighten and intensify the other pigments as well.
It may be just the pic or the lighting but I don't think the orginal pic here is an amber. Too dark and too much black.
Notice the greatly reduced, almost missing black pigment in Kocorns' picture.
I'm not trying to flame anyone here, just stating my opinion is all.
Hypo reduces the black pigment (melanin) drastically, also seems to lighten and intensify the other pigments as well.
It may be just the pic or the lighting but I don't think the orginal pic here is an amber. Too dark and too much black.
Notice the greatly reduced, almost missing black pigment in Kocorns' picture.
I'm not trying to flame anyone here, just stating my opinion is all.
Adding to what Quigs already said, the first snake looks loke a normal to me. But if Amanda knows for sure the bloodlines, then so be it. Could be the lighting, but I'm really seeing black here. Kocorns snake clearly shows hypomelanism. Let me add that both snakes are gorgeous and I'd love to see an updated pic of both of them in about 6 months
Amanda E
Snake Addict!
I knew someone would say it. LOL. No offense taken.Quigs said:
I labeled him as an Amber based on the fact that he hatched out much lighter, and has stayed lighter, than his clutch mate caramels. I will also mention it, though I know not many people accept these things as a basis for hypo, but his sheds are almost clear, unlike the caramels, and his belly has tan checkers rather than the brown/black checkers of the caramels.
I also have a few hypos from this clutch and they too show very distinct borders, here's a photo of one:
Heres a photo, though not a fully body shot, of a caramel I have:
By the way, all these babies are from Rich Z stock too. They are babies from 2 surplus adults Rich sold last year.
And for those that think the above hypo is just a normal, heres a photo of one of the normals from this clutch:
robertwallace
Corns Rock
All the snakes showned are very nice.
kocorns
New member
Amanda, I definately know what you mean now, and comparing him to his siblings he does look like he is an amber, your snakes are so beautiful, I love the borders on them. I would say if it's in comparison to the other clutchmates, then you definately have an amber there, but again I am no expert. You have some very nice snakes and I see the difference in the babies.
www.snakes.nl
New member
hi
that normal looks like miami could this be true ?
that normal looks like miami could this be true ?
So Pirate55
New member
miami's are normals that are bred to reduce the amount of yellow and orange in the ground color......resulting in a grey/silver background, which incidently happens to be represented quite often in the W/C corns found near the miami/homestead area. it's a possibility that it's a miami looking normal, but safer to just say normal.
Amanda, i feel ur pain on the dark amber. I have one that everyone who sees it claims it's a caramel, however last time i checked when you put an Amber with an Amber, you get Ambers. I realize that in ur case, you got a little of everything so it makes it tougher to tell.
Amanda, i feel ur pain on the dark amber. I have one that everyone who sees it claims it's a caramel, however last time i checked when you put an Amber with an Amber, you get Ambers. I realize that in ur case, you got a little of everything so it makes it tougher to tell.
Amanda E
Snake Addict!
She does look very much like a Miami, even after 3 sheds she doesn't have much orange to her. Her mother has many qualities of a Miami, so that's where she gets her looks, but I had no idea that I'd get one that looks quite like her. I've had her up for sale for a while, but since she's stayed so clean, I may keep her, as I've always wanted to get into Miamis (the look; not necessarily the locality)www.snakes.nl said:
As for the colors of the Amber... I just took a look at the photo using a different computer and he looks totally different on that screen. Way too much brown is showing up. I can now see why people on different computers see different things.
Serpwidgets
New member
I think that some of the issues in this thread can be addressed by considering misidentification as a possibility.
And I have to agree with Quigs' assessment. If that first one's an amber, I'll eat my shorts. :duck:
And I have to agree with Quigs' assessment. If that first one's an amber, I'll eat my shorts. :duck:
cornsnake00
New member
Amanda E
Snake Addict!
I'd love to see that in a couple years when I breed him. You sure you're up to it?Serpwidgets said:
On the other hand, I guess he could just be an anomaly, and just a super light caramel, but that really screws up the whole "identification at hatching" thing. How in the world can you positively ID anything if not based on the colors of the other snakes in the clutch? The only thing that could possibly make him a Caramel would be his gender. He is the only male Amber/Caramel I have. The other Caramels I have are female. I know that the Lavender and AneryA genes can show differences between genders, where the males are more colorful than females. Does the Caramel gene do this too?
I'm thinking I need to go get my 2 caramel females and this guy out and do a comparison shot for you guys.
stephen
corn breeder
carmels
I dont think thats a amber, but hey I think carmels are very pretty myself, especially the ones that cast alot of green color, I have a few carmels and they vary alot some almost look like ambers to me,if you like it thats all that matters,I think it is a very nice looking snake . :cheers: Stephen
I dont think thats a amber, but hey I think carmels are very pretty myself, especially the ones that cast alot of green color, I have a few carmels and they vary alot some almost look like ambers to me,if you like it thats all that matters,I think it is a very nice looking snake . :cheers: Stephen