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Amel Belly Colour

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graffixcs

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Straight up, I have not seen enough adult amels to tell if what I have is normal or some "bleeding" of colour so I will explain .......

I have a 2 1/2 year old amel stripe female, possible het for bloodred (among others), this I know to be true as Jim H (her breeder) is reliable. The colouring in question is pale orange "speckles" for want of a better description. They are definitely not the typical belly checkers. This colouration starts about 1/3 down her belly with it becoming more intense the closer to the tail it gets. From the vent back it is almost a solid orange.

Obviously breeding trials are the only way to "prove" the bloodred gene, but my curiosity is this normal for amel stripes to display or do they "usually" keep the white belly? :shrugs:

When I get the camera to work again I will post a pic to help clarify what I am saying.
 
Stripes do not have belly checkers. One of the requirements for being a stripe or motley.

Here's a partial picture of one of my Amel Stripe's belly...

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What you describe is what appears on all of my stripes... :)

My vanishing stripe amel has a completely white belly... :)
 
:wavey: Thanks heaps, I did think as much but wanted to be sure. I am one of those annoying people that has to ask questions to get answers I don't know.

And just to clarify, there are no checkers, it looks more like overspray from a paint can.
 
Yep, very normal sounding. BTW, your snake can be an outcrossed bloodred but as bloodred is not a simple recessive trait, het for bloodred doesn't exist..sorry.
 
princess said:
Yep, very normal sounding. BTW, your snake can be an outcrossed bloodred but as bloodred is not a simple recessive trait, het for bloodred doesn't exist..sorry.
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It's my snake and I can call it whatever I want !!!! :argue:

But seriously, I was lazy and came across dumber than dog .... well anyway, that is an entirely different matter. :bang: She has bloodred back there somewhere I was assured. Either way it does not really matter to me, she is a gorgeous snake IMO, both in looks and personality, that's all that matters to me. Heck, I even have a bitey 'normal' that I love to bits. :rolleyes:
 
princess said:
Yep, very normal sounding. BTW, your snake can be an outcrossed bloodred but as bloodred is not a simple recessive trait, het for bloodred doesn't exist..sorry.
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Are you sure? I know what you're saying, but if it's not homozygous for diffused, then it must be...

(And I do know about the co-dominant bit.)
 
cka said:
...an outcrossed diffused :grin01:
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Yeah, yeah, I realize that. :) But I'm speaking from a genetics viewpoint. If a snake isn't homozygous for diffused at the diffused locus, isn't it heterozygous for it?
 
Roy Munson said:
Yeah, yeah, I realize that. :) But I'm speaking from a genetics viewpoint. If a snake isn't homozygous for diffused at the diffused locus, isn't it heterozygous for it?
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It's only a possible het, so it's either:
D<sup>+</sup> · D<sup>+</sup> (Normal) or
D<sup>+</sup> · D<sup>D</sup> (Het Diffused)

There are all kinds of colors on corn bellies from different lines, I wouldn't count it as an indicator. :)
 
Serpwidgets said:
It's only a possible het, so it's either:
D<sup>+</sup> · D<sup>+</sup> (Normal) or
D<sup>+</sup> · D<sup>D</sup> (Het Diffused)
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Right Serp. I was being rushed by coworkers to get the heck out of the office when I posted above. It would have been better for me to have written that if only one allele at the diffused locus is diffused, then the animal would be considered heterozygous for diffused.

I was pretty sure I remembered you discussing diffused hets in your '05 CMG. You did such a great job emphasizing the fact that for certain morphs, the term het cannot apply, that I thought I would have remembered this caveat for diffused had you made it.

I've got to start keeping your book and Kathy's on me at all times.
 
Thanks for all the replies, I have been reading along so please bear with me here and please correct me if I have this all @$$ backwards.

What you are saying is,
it is possible to have a het diffused,
this snake having the bloodred parentage "may" also be het,

Do I have that correct?

Either way breeding trials will be in order, with a half sibling and then a full bloodred in a few years.

Wow, this really did take a turn, I was just curious as to whether a spotty tummy was normal for stripes. lol

Thanks again for all your patience, I am still learning obviously. :cheers:
 
Ya, it's just like a candycane:

The differences between a normal and a candy cane are:
1- the amel gene
2- the selective breeding for no ground color

Obviously, a snake can be het for amel, but cannot be het for "selective breeding for..." because that isn't a gene.

In the same respect:

The differences between a normal and a bloodred are:
1- the diffusion gene
2- the selective breeding for low-contrast/high-color/minimal borders/whatever

So, for those who recognize the above distinction, a snake can be het for diffusion but cannot be het for "bloodred" and it all fits together and makes perfect sense. :)


But be aware that there are people who use bloodred for ALL of the above situations. In that way a snake simultaneously can and cannot be het for bloodred. Then, as a "solution" to the above problem, the term 'outcrossed' is thrown into the mix (LMAO thanks Chris!) and used in two mutually exclusive ways, and without any context.

I wonder why people are confused about bloodreds... :shrugs:
 
Serpwidgets said:
I wonder why people are confused about bloodreds... :shrugs:
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I'm not confused at all, I KNOW I have no freakin' idea ! :crazy02:

Seriously tho Serp, thanks, even tho I do not fully understand it yet, it is becoming a little clearer. When my head stops spinning I am sure I will ask another question, or 30. :cheers:
 
Serp...

Are you saying this 04 Amel het for Bloodred and Caramel I bought from Rich is a....DUD ? ;)

Damn pretender snakes.......


*Disclaimer to anyone New to the site: I'm making a joke...and now, by putting this codicil in I've ruined it..LOL!
 
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