Amel lava motley, Ice ghost motley and snow lava motley

[El Jefe]

So the plot thickens....

Well, well, well.....

Heh, now I'm wondering what Jeff's lines from this year trace back to? If he's producing lava motleys, did he originally cross lava X Motley in his project? (I assumed so since he expected lava motleys... ?)

To answer this question....Yes. I bred the lava to a motley so I was expecting the results I got.

HOWEVER....

back in 2002 I got a striped motley looking lava from one of my original lava to het breedings. I bred the pair I think on 3 different occasions but that was the only freak. As I was sort of just getting into the complexities of corns I didn't pay much attention to the animal and the details of clear belly etc. (Hey, back then Lavas were just an odd hypo I was working with and we hadn't connected all the dots). Anyway, I did not ever take a picture either :headbang:
As luck would have it (and Murphy) on my cross country move from Oklahoma to South Carolina one of my racks tipped in the moving truck. I had taped all the containers in place....or so I thought. This little guy and two others
(out of 40) disappeared. I found 1 when I was cleaning out the truck, 1 a few months later dead in a box, and I never found the motley striped looking little fella!!

Since I used my male lava to motley female anery for the lava motleys that I produced this year, I can only assume it was a freak looking animal OR it was a new motley type mimic.

So, that is my 2 cents and mystery confusion ingredient for the night....

Later,
-Jeff

 

[ecreipeoj]

lol, ok, i'm english... what is the genetic make up of an ice ghost?, and what is a lava corn?

These first two photos are of a Lava Corn breeding an Anery het Lava. The third photo is of a male Ice Corn. The male Ice seem to have much more pink than the females. The fourth photo is a comparison photo that Hurley posted on a different thread of a Lava, Sunkissed, Hypo, and Ultramel. The Lava is the largest snake in the photo. The last photo is a comparison photo that I took of a Lava Okeetee, Sunkissed and Hypo. The Lava Okeetee is on the top left side of the photo.

The Sunkissed and Lavas are much more extreme than the Hypo, but quite different. The Lavas are very orange and have some nice purplish markings in place of the black. The Sunkissed have some nice shades of yellow and greenish coloration. Both of these types of hypo has an extreme effect on all of the colors of the Corns. Hypo Corns have an over all lighter appearance, but the underlying colors don’t change much.

 

[ecreipeoj]

Joe, looking back at 2028's ancestors, his grandparents are that rev Okeetee and Old Man Lava. I also noticed that our male lava (Moses) shares the same father as 2028...

You are right about everything.

The Rev Okeetee is the Amel het Anery(ACR 1850) that I started the Ice line with and which was bred to Motley males in four different years and produced NO Motleys. Also the female that Carlos used to produce this clutch with ACR #2000 is a full sibling to the male Lava het Snow which is the most likely mating that would pull out a hidden gene.

I have always gotten some odd belly patterns on many of my Lavas and Het Lavas from this line. Belly patterns that look like het Blood belly patterns. The father (ACR 1851, w/photo) of both of Carlos’s snakes and Moses, had a pattern that looked diffused like. At least, he didn’t have much side pattern at all and he had an odd belly pattern but not plain.

I just hatched out a clutch from a Lava Amel X Amel het Lava and a couple of the hatchlings have plain bellies and aberrant patterns. I will get some photos when they shed. They don’t remind me of Motleys however. I have a lot of clutches due to hatch soon that from parents that I had not matched up before, so we may get some more evidence soon about this mystery “Motley”.

In addition to Carlos “Motleys” that he produced this year, Jeff produced a “Motley” from the Lava line, a Pet Store that I sold some Normals from the same parents that produced Carlos’ snakes (ACR 1851 x ACR 1871) told me that they produced some Motleys from them, and I have produced some plain bellied aberrants from this line this year as well. It sure looks as if we may have a “Motley” mimic among us that is not compatible with Motley. It is a good thing that we may have spotted this gene now, if it proves to be a new gene, instead of much later. Motley X "Motley" mimic = NORMALS OH my!

Carlos is going to have a real fun time trying to figure out what he has produced from his Hets for Lava/Caramel Motley and Het for Lava Anery Motley, since 50% of them may be het for a Motley Mimic as well. Are they Motley or are they the mimic. The name game will be interesting if everything proves out to be what we are suspecting at the moment. Some connection to the name of Lava would be nice.

 

[Carlos]

Hey Joe, not only with those two, I breed that male lava to all the colors that I have here, like I don't have enough headache with all the other projects that I have.

 

[cornmorphs]

There are genes at about 50 loci that are involved in parts of the process of making melanin. Ultra, Lava, Hypo, and Sunkissed are mutants at 4 different loci.

So even if they "look the same," the underlying genes causing them are not the same, and they are inherited separately/independently from each other. Lavas and ultramels have less malenin than other hypo-like corns, but IMO Lava and Ultra don't look similar, at least in the examples I've seen. But even if they did look the same, it would still be necessary to use different names so we know which individuals are compatible with each other.

ah i see, cheers, so i'm not as far out as i thoughti was

 

[JenC]

Apsolutely gorgeous babies you have there!!!

And that pic Joe posted from Connie...killed my eyes!! so much brightness!!! So pretty tho!!!

How much do Lavas and Ice Ghosts go for these days?

 

[SODERBERGD]

Beautiful snakes. . .

Great looking snakes, Carlos. Congratulations. Contact me so we can schedule shipping for my order.

Don