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Stick with a corn or something so you don't have to worry about humidity and more heat. I would suggest that you try to go to a reptile show and get a snake instead of the pet store. Most charge huge amounts for the snake and some are very small that have had only a few feedings. A breeder is also a good choice as most keep good records on their snakes. The nice thing about a reptile show is that you can handle the snake and find one that is calm. I picked my amel at a show and he was calm from day one. Moving calmly and slowly, never shooting thru my fingers like some of my yearlings. There might be some local breeders that you could go to see their animals and handle them. The nice thing about corns too, is that they come in so many colors!
 
I have to agree with Meg - a corn would be a better first pet. I have both corns and ball pythons (yes, some 2005 bps as well) and the corns are much easier. Especially if you get a yearling or even an early '05 that is well established. The ball pythons are very picky eaters and picky about humidity and light as well - not very forgiving at all. Corns on the other hand are very forgiving. Of all my corns that didn't want to eat this year I have gotten them all to eat on their own and haven't resorted to force feeding (granted I don't have that many hatchlings but it seems like a lot to me). Of the ball pythons that I still have left I have 1 that eats regularly, 1 that is picky and sporatic (he wants live I think) and 1 that I still have to force feed (since June). The last is finally starting to coil the food once I shove it in her mouth but still - they're picky. I also think that a show would be best and let you get the widest selection out there. Now's a good time because there are still lots of babies and yearlings out there.

~Katie
 
recycling goddess said:
hey speaking of boas.... anyone have a rosy boa? from what i've read they seem like a good choice as well.

*bangs head against the wall... and promises to stop reading websites for the night*

I have a rosy. Despite what is written in much of the breeders' literature, rosies can be nippy. From lurking in rosy forums, I've been given the impression that their reputed docility is much exaggerated. When the mood strikes him (ha ha), mine will lunge at anything that comes within two feet of him. If he catches a whiff of thawing mouse, he may even attempt to strike me through his viv glass. When I put him in a feeding tub, he'll often strike at me through the plastic, before he notices the mouse. He never does it defensively, it's just a very aggressive feeding response. (He's my refused-mouse disposal unit.)

I guess the majority of rosies are ok, but mine wouldn't be much fun for a 12 year old.
 
I have the same opinion. There are a lot of beautiful snakes but a cornsnake is so good to begin with! Mine were small when I bought them, they had eaten two times and shedded two times. I've never had a bite from the little ones nor from the bigger ones.
People said it already: they eat good, they don't need a lot of fussing with humidity and their size is just right when they are fully grown.
Since your son is now 12 years old, he wont have any trouble handling a corn, even a mature one.
Of course milksnakes and kingsnakes are beautiful too, but I have heard from ( and seen it frequently, bleh!)some people that they musk very easily and that is something I don't really like. My snakes have never musked (happy me).
Cornsnakes come in so many colours and are so gorgeous. If I were you (which I am not, I know) and had to buy a first snake all over again, it would be a corn!
Maybe I am a little biased??
Liz
 
I have owned both milksnakes and ball pythons. The milksnakes are very squirmy. They can become docile as adults (no biting), but they will probably remain quite squirmy. (They don't seem to like being held so much.) The milksnakes also musk a lot. (A smelly runny poop.) And I mean a LOT! And as adults I've seen it squirt non-stop nearly three feet. (My bedroom wall was covered. So was my face. Yuck!) Since milksnakes and kingsnakes are so similar, I wouldn't be surprised if kingsnakes acted the same way. Ball pythons are great, but I wouldn't consider it a beginner snake. The heating and humidity requirements are acceptable, but the BPs are notoriously sporadic and picky eaters. (That is, until you figure out a few advanced tricks.) Although I haven't received my new cornsnakes yet, I'm eagerly anticipating all of the great things I've heard about them. Cornsnakes are often the first snake suggested for begining enthusiasts. And there is probably a good reason for this. Good luck!

Chris =)
 
I agree with Chris...get a corn.

I have or have kept several species of snakes and the corns are by FAR the easiest...

I have many ball pythons of varying sizes and they are nice...but a couple of them are nippy...and they get just large enough that my twelve year old needs the occasional hand handling them...

I have several species of boa as well...and although I believe they are probably the smartest of the snakes I own...they definitely have much more stringent husbandry practices...and each has it own personality...

I have two species of kingsnake...and although one of my female cali's is my favorite snake to handle...they are definitely fast and jumpy when they are little...but so are hatchling corns...you may want to look for a corn that is larger than a hatchling...makes handling easier and will already be established so you shouldn't have to deal with any feeding problems...

I have raised milksnakes...and they tend to be much more shy and jumpy than the kings...but that is just my personal experience...
 
i am so impressed by all of you! everyone has answered my questions with such honesty and depth. i feel that i'm going to make an excellent choice now! many forums i have visited in the past (and am a member of) often give a small pat answer to this type of question, since they've answered it so often, and don't take into account that the person who has asked it is truly a beginner and really in need of honest advice.

i'm getting a corn for two reasons... one because i feel confident, from the information shared with me, that this is definitely the BEST choice. and second, cause i want to remain a member of this forum!!! i love people who love to share their knowledge with others ;)

oh, and i'm so in love with all the snakes i've seen, i've decided to get myself one as well! so two corn snakes, coming up!

i'm going to stay here, lurking and learning... perhaps asking more questions... and then in a few weeks i'll be getting the snakes (from a breeder) and i'll share pics and hopefully continue to learn from you all.

thankyouthankyouthankyou
 
Congrats on the choice made! Corns are awesome, which might explain why they're 90% of the snakes I own. :D

However, you do like honesty...so I'll be quite frank. The general concensus of the members of this forum is to house all corn snakes separately. Now for the reasons we all feel its necessary.

1. Cornsnakes are a solitary species. Most of mine don't like sitting together in a tub for a few minutes on picture day, let alone living together 24/7. It can stress them out to no end, and stress is a big unknown with snakes. They don't have the body language that mammals do when they're unhappy in a situation.

2. Disease and parasite transmission. If you have one snake with worms, you're going to end up with two snakes with worms and anything else. Plus, if one regurges, you're not going to know who it is unless you watch them do it. Vets are expensive, but even more so when you have reptiles in the mix.

3. Potential for early breeding. Cornsnakes shouldn't breed until they're at least 300g. At that weight they have a considerably less chance for becoming gravid too young and before their body is physically ready. Eggbinding (stuck eggs) can be fatal if not caught in time.

4. Stress. Since they don't like being together, one may be more dominant than the other and with the stressful living condiitions, one may not eat like it should. One may be a frequent regurger (vomiting up food).

5. Cannibalization. Its a definite risk, more so in the younger snakes. Most often it seems to occur after feeding when their mouths still smell like mouse, and someone is still hungry.

So those are the Top 5 Reasons most of us keep our snakes separately.

Since you only have one tank, I see a couple of options. Buy another tank, take the tank you have to a glass shop and have them divide it in half, or just get one snake for now.

And if you still insist on putting two together, at least get the same sex. There's nothing that infuriates me more than people putting two snakes together to knowingly breed, and then come here hassling us about every aspect of 'what to do'. I'm not saying that you're going to do it necessarily as you seem wholly responsible thus far, especially about researching and having the supplies BEFORE getting the animal, that speaks volumes. There just seems to be a lot of irresponsible people out there who don't take responsibility for their own actions, and instead of two snakes, they now have 17.
 
Congrats on your choice. I'm with Taceas on keeping them in their own enclosures.

Make sure to check out all the different colors and patterns. I have a "morph gallery" (http://www.serpwidgets.com/Morphs/morphs.html) with descriptions and pics, and several other members do, too. The photo gallery has a zillion pics of different morphs, and there are probably several dozen types that will catch your eye. ;)

The selectively-bred lines can differ between each breeder's preferences and which way they choose to take their lines, so if you end up deciding on a particular selectively-bred morph because of a specific picture you like, your best bet is to get one from the same breeder. :)

[And make sure to post pics when you get your corn(s)] :santa:
 
oh i would never house two together... rather, we are going to move our albino horned frog into another tank and use it's 20 gallon for one of the snakes. we have a lot of tanks here... and i mean a lot! obviously many are filled with fish but we have some which we use for other critters too... and quite a few are empty. i have two 40 gallon tanks... one has the locking mesh lid. and a few 10 gallon tanks as well.

but thanks for being clear with your advice... cause i know many people don't think about it.

besides, my son's snake will be in his room and mine will be in the living room... so i can see it and spend time with it without going into the *gulp* boys room *gulp* - have you been in a 12 year old boys room lately? decaying food on the floor... mixed with clothes... clean and dirty. LOL

and then there's the controllers for video games... and dvds laying around...

trust me, i wouldn't want to have to go there daily LOL

JK
aleesha
 
ROFL! I'm not a mom yet, but I can still envision what my room looked like at times. ;)

Good deal then. Sounds like you're like me, I've got a corner of our garage devoted only to spare aquariums and various small animal cages. You can never have too many!

Well now that the agonizing decision of what species is done been decided, have you decided on what morphs to get? :grin01:
 
Serpwidgets said:
Make sure to check out all the different colors and patterns. I have a "morph gallery" (http://www.serpwidgets.com/Morphs/morphs.html) with descriptions and pics, and several other members do, too. The photo gallery has a zillion pics of different morphs, and there are probably several dozen types that will catch your eye. ;)] :santa:


gorgeous pics!!!! just letting you know the links don't work when you go into the pictures of your snakes... when you hit any of the link on the left hand TOC

but a great site... i'm in love with your snakes!
 
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