BLIZZARD BLOODRED,WHITEOUT,POWDER,BLIZZARD

[snakefriendly]

Hello everyone, Im trying to get some clarification. I know theres a ton of very knowledgeable people on this site that can answer this and hopefully clear things up for me.

I was researching snakes (corns) looking at the different patterns/colors when i came across a incredible looking snake. The caption said it was a blizzard so i started researching them. Then looking for more professional info i joined this site and have learned about corns in general, and learned a lot. Yet I am still a little confused probably cause there so many different names,strains etc..

Now from what i was told is that a blizzard is just a blizzard. Then i was informed that there is the "blizzard bloodred" which im guessing is a different strain. Then somebody told me that a "blizzard bloodred" is a "whiteout". Then i found out there was a "powder", and a "blizzard het bloodred".

Now the questions.

1. is there a difference between a "blizzard" and "blizzard bloodred"?

2. Is a "blizzard bloodred" a "whiteout"?

3. were would a "powder fit in all this?

4. Of all the strains (think that's the proper term) which would have the whitest pattern (solid white) with no yellow?

5. Is there any way in insure a solid white snake? maybe my mating 2 completely solid white snakes?

6. Could someone please tell me the difference between the different strains i mentioned above.

Thank you very much in advance for taking the time to read this and respond.

Chris

 

[wstphal]

1. is there a difference between a "blizzard" and "blizzard bloodred"?

2. Is a "blizzard bloodred" a "whiteout"?

3. were would a "powder fit in all this?

Blizzard = Amel + Charcoal
Whiteout = Amel + Charcoal + Diffused aka Blizzard bloodred
Powder = Amel + Anery + Charcoal + Hypo

Charcoals tend to have less yellow so any of these might have very little yellow. The Powder I have seen pictures of is basically pure white.

I hope this helps.

 

[chad27]

I have a whiteout they can have some yellow. As far as powders go pretty much same snake looks wise. Except anery and hypo in the mix minus blood red genes. Hypo is masked by amel so the hypo gene isnt much of a factor on looks. So its up to you same snakes to me.

 

[wax32]

Some blizzards get LOTS of yellow, here is mine:

 

[wstphal]

And Dave proves why I said "might have very little yellow"!

 

[snakefriendly]

Thank you both for replying. From what i heard, the "bloodred" makes the snakes pattern have more of a solid color (washes out the saddles patterns). If this is true then if you breed 2 "whiteouts" and both having the "bloodred" gene, the babies should have more of a solid pattern. this right?

what is the differnece between these 3 different strains of snakes, which almost look exactly the same? is there any gene or combination of genes that they can have that will have no yellow? If you breed a "whiteout" with a "powder" what would that be?

sorry for the crazy questions, i trying to learn everything i can about these certain morphs/strains. thanks again.

 

[snakefriendly]

DAVE, The blizzard you have in the pic, is that a reg Blizzard? he does have alot of yellow. is there a gene trait that caused that much yellow in your snake (parents)?
thank you for your reply and the pic dave. The way its sounding is that you just dont know if the snakes going to have yellow in any amount until its a mature adult no matter what morph it is.

 

[wstphal]

You're right that the bloodred or diffused gene reduces pattern. Whiteouts already have 2 copies of that gene (they are homozygous) so breeding 2 whiteouts won't get you anything except more whiteouts.

Whiteout x Powder = Blizzards het hypo, diffused & anery.

If you want a really, really white snake, or a snake with no yellow, any of these MIGHT turn out that way, but there isn't any combination of genes that guarantee no yellow. Your best bet would be to go to a breeder who has the parents & if they have little or no yellow, you might get a snake without yellow, or buy an adult who has little or no yellow.

 

[Cattsy]

For more information about Morphs and stuff check out the Cornsnake morph guide. If you google it you'll be able to find it. Great info about different genes

 

[snakefriendly]

Thank you Wstphal and Cattsy. The question i asked when you breed to whiteouts, i was trying to ask if it would make the hatchlings a more solid white or would it matter. If all these different morphs produce almost the same coloration of snake then why are some so much more expensive then others? Cattsy i def will check out the Cornsnake morph guide to learn more, and Wstphal thats pretty much what i was thinking but i dont really want to get a adult, i want to get a hatchling or young snake to raise him/her at a young age and watch him/her grow, even though it would be more reassurance it would be a solid white if i did get a adult. Thanks for all the info.

 

[wstphal]

If all these different morphs produce almost the same coloration of snake then why are some so much more expensive then others? Cattsy i def will check out the Cornsnake morph guide to learn more, and Wstphal thats pretty much what i was thinking but i dont really want to get a adult, i want to get a hatchling or young snake to raise him/her at a young age and watch him/her grow, even though it would be more reassurance it would be a solid white if i did get a adult. Thanks for all the info.

Well, it's harder to make a 3 gene combo than a 2 gene combo, and harder still to make a 4 gene combo (are there any 5 gene morphs out there yet? I dunno), so the price goes up, that's the reason for the varying prices.

Your best bet if you want to raise a hatchling & get a really white snake or one with little or no yellow is to see the parents, as I suspect that low yellow is hereditary, although it's NOT a Mendelian recessive. It could be line-bred -- maybe that's YOUR future project, producing the perfectly white cornsnake. You know that the "old school" blood reds are line-bred for perfection as well as being homozygous diffused, right? So there you go, Chris, breed the perfectly white snake you want!

 

[chad27]

Wish there were more old school bloods around. Most bloods Today dont come close.

 

[wax32]

... is that a reg Blizzard? ... The way its sounding is that you just dont know if the snakes going to have yellow in any amount until its a mature adult no matter what morph it is.

Yes, it's a regular blizzard from Serpenco.

And yes, without seeing the parents and maybe even a generation or two before them, it's hard to know. That's why the ACR is awesome, you can check into the heritage of snakes you are buying, even view photos of the parents and grandparents.

 

[snakefriendly]

wstphal I dont think im up for the challange of breeding snakes at the moment. Number one reason, i dont have any snakes haha. But i dont have a interest in it. Does seem to be alot more work then i thought. Right now Im just searching and researching into getting 2 snakes as pets (Mex black king and most likely a blizzard bloodred). I havent even looked into the breeding side of it all yet. maybe down the road, I might just end up breeding a line of blizzards that are pure solid white, or some morph thats never been seen before. WAX32, Im def going to check out the acr, thats awesome you can look at the snakes parents, grandparents. I guess the catch would be that that snake and his/her kin would have to be registered. Thanks for the continued help.

 

[snakefriendly]

I meant "do have a interest in it" haha typing faster then i think i guess.

 

[BabyBlueEyes]

Here is our whiteout she has no yellow in her what so ever no spot or speck of yellow found anywhere on her body.

 

[chad27]

That whiteout looks great. Were did u get her

 

[snakefriendly]

Chads right. That is one great looking snake. Were did you get her and how old is she? thanks babyblueEyes for the pics, incredible.

 

[BabyBlueEyes]

To be honest with you guys... i found her at a local pet store! i bought her for 100 bucks! She is about 4 years old and i have bred her already with a male whiteout. I have her 14 beautiful eggs incubating and they should hacth in about 2 weeks from now! I cant wait!

 

[wstphal]

@snakefriendly -- that is one SWEET whiteout! Maybe you should buy one of the hatchlings? Just a suggestion, but if the male looks even close to as good, that's a great choice.