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Breeding Pair

Smokey-Steve

Smokey-Steve

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Hello

Im getting another two corns next week and they are are a proven breeding pair. They have bred succesfully for the last four years.

Just a few questions really

1. How long do I have to wait before I breed them(from when I recieve them)

2. I am keeping them in plastic tubs with heat mats and stats is this suitable during breeding?

3. They are snow female and anery male. What are possible outcomes ?? Or is it best to just breed and wait for the suprise ??

I will find out if they are het for anything if last question needs to be answered and use punnet square to find out just wanted to know basic outcomes
 
1. You need to quarantine them away from your current snakes for a few weeks/months to ensure that they aren't carrying anything unpleasant. This isn't a slur on the previous owner - it's good practice and should be done for every new arrival, even ones from the most reputable sources. As they're from the same source, I'm thinking that segregating the two of them from each other isn't necessary.

I wouldn't breed until you have them well settled in. The female needs to be eating reliably in order for her to recover from egg formation and laying. Moving is very stressful and can result in refusals as they settle in, so you won't know whether she's in the right basic state for about four feeds. This might leave you rather late in the season to try.

Personally, I wouldn't breed them this year at all but would allow them to settle in and get used to their characteristics. I'd breed next year.

2. Plastic tubs are fine for breeding.

3. If there are no hets, your hatchlings will all be Anery het for Amel. Make sure you can sell them - this is a common morph and other breeders in your area will be producing them. There are some major outfits in your neck of the woods, so you'll have quite a bit of competition.
 
That is correct. Anery het amel. Unless you find out the anery you have is already het amel then you will get some snows.

Here is a great corn calculator to figure out what you get from what. I like to play with it and try all kinds of mix ups. Never know what you get.

http://www.corncalc.com/
 
1. I will be keeping them in a seperate room from Smokey as i'm going to keep her as my pet snake and the others i get will take care of them the same but will be used for breeding as well. I have a spare room in my house so it will become my snake room whereas Smokey is kept in my front room. I will not be breeding them till next seasojn anyway as I don't have enough knowledge of morphs and genetics yet to be breeding

2. I thought plastic tubs would be ok

3. The advertisement says they have produced snows before so hopefully i will be lucky. I have a few places in mind that I know don't sell snakes as of yet and am going to do some research in a few different places to see the need for hatchlings.

I have made my order today for all the supplies for the two new arrivals and should be coming sometime next week. Might seem like a silly question but i presume handling is still essential with a breeding pair as I would still like to be able to handle them on a daily basis (excluding shedding and digesting time)

Thank you for the advice and will use the corn calculator to see the possible outcomes when I know a little more about exact genetics.
 
After leaving them in peace for the settling in period with no handling (7-10 days usually recommended), then you should be able to start handling them gently, building up to handle them as you would your other Corns. Just because they're a breeding pair shouldn't mean you avoid handling - in fact, it's an advantage to have them used to you, so you can move them about during the process with minimal stress.

I have a few places in mind that I know don't sell snakes as of yet and am going to do some research in a few different places to see the need for hatchlings.
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I'd be wary of selling to outlets with no experience of snakes. You need the people in the shop to be giving buyers the correct husbandry advice (now mandatory by law) and selling the right equipment.

Not only that, but they then need to be able to guarantee a supply of food for the snakes. Bear in mind that a shop might not want to build up a stock of entirely new hardware for a handful of Corns a year.

Sorry I'm sounding a bit negative but it's good that you're allowing time for research in advance. You should have this sort of thing ironed out by this time next year.
 
Yes thats my plan I don't want to rushg into anything without finding out if its possible and without the proper knowledge. I would hate to be the reason the snakes in my care or the hatchlings i've sold on are not being given proper care.

As for doing my research into stores that will take them off my hands to sell on I will be asking numerous questions to find out if they have the right knowledge about corns and keeping them. Is there some sort of qualification they would need like a chef would need a food hygeine certificate?

As you're from the UK do you know of any kind of place I could register myself as a breeder when I get going ??
 
I will be asking numerous questions to find out if they have the right knowledge about corns and keeping them. Is there some sort of qualification they would need like a chef would need a food hygeine certificate?
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No, there's nothing like that in the UK to prove a level of husbandry knowledge. Pet shops in the UK need to be licensed by their local council and I believe this includes regular inspections. However, the efficiency of this process rather relies on the inspector knowing what s/he should be looking for by way of poor conditions and sick animals. Pet shops are now required by law to give full and correct husbandry information to any buyer. Also, they are not permitted to sell animals to under-16s unless they're accompanied by an adult. So it's just general common-sense welfare stuff - nothing specific to reptiles.

As you're from the UK do you know of any kind of place I could register myself as a breeder when I get going ??
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There's nothing like that in the UK. If you own animals that aren't covered by things like the Dangerous Wild Animals Act or international CITES regulations, then you can breed and sell them as you wish (even if you do have restricted animals, there are formal ways of obtaining the correct permissions for many of them).
 
Ok just thought it would be better if there was something I could join to show I was an official breeder.

Thank you anyway
 
Thank you i'll have to look into that it just looks better when you're selling to be able to say you are a registered breeder. This is not why i'm doing it but how much do you think anery/snow hatchlings would sell for ??
 
The Cornsnake Color Morph guide for this year says that Anerys will probably sell between $20-30 while Snows sell between $20-40. While this may be true for buying from breeders, if you sell to pet stores, you will be doing so for probably less as they need to turn a profit.
 
Here in the UK you'd be lucky to get £15 each for those morphs at the moment, and that's selling them direct yourself.

If you sell to a shop, you could probably expect £10 or less. The specialist reptile shop that I always sell to, can't buy any of mine at all this year. They've seen a drop in the demand for Corns and an increase in the supply of cheap hatchlings. I still have four of last year's hatchlings that they can't take yet, and they're slightly higher level morphs than Snows and Anerys.
 
Ok then its not why i want to breed its more for the fun of it as i've always wanted to breed an animal and Smokey is by far the best pet i've had and its almost grown into an obsession. I may have found a pet store that would buy off me, they have not yet got the license they need to sell reptiles but said they are planning to in the next year and this was before I even mentioned I was planning to breed corns. Just need to do some more research into other pet stores but as i'm only breeding the one pair to start with she may even take the full clutch off me. We'll see what happens a bit closer to next breeding season.
 
WOW

Impressive Relpy bitsy! You are right on!
1. You need to quarantine them away from your current snakes for a few weeks/months to ensure that they aren't carrying anything unpleasant. This isn't a slur on the previous owner - it's good practice and should be done for every new arrival, even ones from the most reputable sources. As they're from the same source, I'm thinking that segregating the two of them from each other isn't necessary.

I wouldn't breed until you have them well settled in. The female needs to be eating reliably in order for her to recover from egg formation and laying. Moving is very stressful and can result in refusals as they settle in, so you won't know whether she's in the right basic state for about four feeds. This might leave you rather late in the season to try.

Personally, I wouldn't breed them this year at all but would allow them to settle in and get used to their characteristics. I'd breed next year.

2. Plastic tubs are fine for breeding.

3. If there are no hets, your hatchlings will all be Anery het for Amel. Make sure you can sell them - this is a common morph and other breeders in your area will be producing them. There are some major outfits in your neck of the woods, so you'll have quite a bit of competition.
 
they have not yet got the license they need to sell reptiles but said they are planning to in the next year
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They'll find that they don't need a specific licence to sell reptiles - their current licence to sell animals will cover them. That should simplify their lives a lot.

Good luck!
 
OK the deal has just fell through i've had a reply from the owner and she has sold her breeding pair and only has 2 females left. If anyone has any 07/08's for sale that are close by to me I would be happy to take them off your hands. Preferably not normals though as I would like to breed soem of the other morphs but if they are at the right price I may consider it.
 
That's a shame. Try the Wanted section, and there's also a UK section of the forum where you might have some luck.
 
I've sourced two more snakes they are all paid for (£70 for the 2, not bad in my eyes) they are both 08's male is normal het amel and female is normal het butter. All I have to do now is wait for equipment to arrive then go and pick them up from Nottingham or pay a £40 courier charge for delivery. I'm not too sure how morphs work when they are normal het ... I will try and use corncalc to figure it out its not the simplest to use tho
 
Does this look about right ??

Phenotype:

1 / 4 Amel 50% poss het. Caramel
3 / 4 Normal 66% poss het. Amel 50% poss het. Caramel

Genotype:

1 / 8 Normal
1 / 8 Amel
1 / 4 Normal het Amel
1 / 8 Normal het Caramel
1 / 8 Amel het Caramel
1 / 4 Normal het Butter
 
Looks about right, but that's only if the potential hets (Caramel, Amel & Caramel) are actually present.

Remember that those percentages mean you have a 50% chance of buying an Amel with no hets and a 33% chance of buying a Normal with no hets. This would mean a clutch of all Normals het Amel.

Make sure the seller isn't bumping the price up too much because of potential hets that may not be there.
 
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