Caramel, Amber or ?

[ocboat]

What does everyone think?

 

[bribrian]

I would call that an amber.....

 

[Jay@PJCReptiles]

Nice snake! I would say Amber (Hypo x Caramel). It has alot of reduction in melenin (black) and is real clean look to it. Or, I would say a really light phase Caramel. Thats my opinion and i'm sticking to it...lol
Jay & PJ

 

[cornmorphs]

looking at that head and eyes i'm not 100% certain its pure corn myself.
sorry if i'm wrong, pretty snake all the same.

 

[lefty_mussolini]

Looks like a clean looking Amber to me.

 

[E.Crassus]

I would agree with Nigel, doesnt look pure.
Faded head pattern and the eyes are different.
I apologise if im wrong but just a feeling i have as even ambers have more black than that.
lovely looking snake though

 

[kimbyra]

Very beautiful corn snake! It looks like a Creamsicle (yellow), if its not an amber/caramel. Here is a pick of one from SMR.

 

[kimbyra]

But I think it looks more like this picture of a goldust male that Stephen posted in the photo section.

 

[Rich Z]

Looks like an Amber to me, although I have seen some Caramels get just as lightly colored. Particularly Caramel Motleys. The color doesn't look quite right to be a GoldDust, but I think it's too early in the game to say I have seen all possibilities there.

And if anyone us using patternless heads as an indication of being an "impure" corn snake, they are in for some significant surprises when they start working with MANY of the cultivars. Right off the top of my head, I can think of the following where I have seen that trait in mature adults: Silver Queens, Motleys, Stripes, Upper Keys, Blood Reds, Caramels, and any derivatives of the previously mentioned ones.

 

[princess]

Any chances that's a caramel bloodred? I look that the saddles and the sides as much as I can see them and it looks like the effects of diffusion to me. What does the belly look like? Can we get a better shot of the sides?

Another option could be diffused amber but I'm not sure.

 

[E.Crassus]

ok Rich my mistake.
Youth and inexperience still hold me back in some areas, im also prone to rash decisions like that lol.
Made perfect sense after id said it.
I gotta question thats OT so i apologise.
I have a anery mot-stripe and it appears to be taking on a lavendery background colour. Its around 6 months old and has just started developing the yellows.
My question is could it be het hypo or possibly even lavender but the latter I thought masked the anery gene.
cheers for help

 

[Rich Z]

Although not impossible, it is VERY rare to see yellow on a Lavender. Matter of fact, I have only seen it on a few examples here, but it was only for a brief period while maturing, and now as full adults is no longer visible. Or maybe it was just some very realistic dream I had one night..... :shrugs:

In all cases I have produced, a corn homozygous for both Lavender and 'A' Anerythrism looks like a very slightly different Lavender. But evidently other influences come to bear on what the animal looks like, so there will be some marked variability in individuals.

 

[Menhir]

Any chances that's a caramel bloodred?
Another option could be diffused amber but I'm not sure.

For sure - no one knows, but I highly doubt it to be a Bloodred/Diffused.

 

[ocboat]

Thanks everyone for their opinions. This is a snake that I am deciding whether or not to purchase so I don't have any other pictures. The main reason I asked is because it does not look like any Caramel that I have seen (not that I have seen many adults) and it has even less black than any Ambers that I have seen. I was mainly worried that this might not be 100% corn but I guess I'll never know for sure. Thanks again.

 

[gardenmum]

Thanks everyone for their opinions. This is a snake that I am deciding whether or not to purchase so I don't have any other pictures. The main reason I asked is because it does not look like any Caramel that I have seen (not that I have seen many adults) and it has even less black than any Ambers that I have seen. I was mainly worried that this might not be 100% corn but I guess I'll never know for sure. Thanks again.

You are right, without positive information from the actual breeder (and in this case I refer to reputable breeders), it is not possible to know if the snake in question is truly not carrying hybrid genes.

I will say this though, it was suggested that maybe it was a "creamsicle" but that snake does not have red eyes or tongue so it is not an "amel" type. I also agree with Rich that it does not appear to be an ultra type, as in golddust, as all ultra types I have seen have a unique looking saddle trim to them. Not saying that as 100% positive proof, but I would say it drops that likelyhood down quite a bit.

Whether it is a caramel or amber is only going to be guesses from all. If it is a snake you like for its particular looks and want to own it for a pet or to breed, then that is the only consideration you will need. IF you are looking for a particular type, as in a caramel or an amber, then I suggest getting one that is positively known for that genetic type as anything you get in babies from the snake in question will be questionable offspring till you can prove out its genetics through breeding trials.

So, in short, if you like it, buy it. If you want to be sure of your genetics, don't, purchase a known morph from a breeder.

Best of luck with whatever you decide to do.

Oh, and if you are going on black or no black, that is a hard thing to truly prove out a morph by visual. I have seen known hypos that have some black bordering and known non-hypos that have had NO black borders on them. Here is a picture of my caramel motley male, he has no black on him. Although I know motley tends to reduce the black, it does not generally get rid of it, and this guy has no black.

 

[snake5007]

I Dont Think Its A Creamsicle,as The Creamsicle Has Some White.it Looks A Lot Like A Golddust,but I'm Going To Go With Amber.the Golddust Looks Slightly Lighter In Colour.i Would'nt Put A Bet On It Though!