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Diegoboy

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Hi all.
I'm new to the forum, and new to snake ownership.
It all started when my neighbor came over in a panic about a snake in her garden. I went over, found a juvenile garter snake. I picked it up, and released it in a more remote location. I have always wanted to have a snake, but never acted on it. I did a little research (very little) and decided on a corn snake. I bought a 20gal tank, UVA/UVB light, and a heat lamp. I then bought Max. (my 5yo named it, don't even know the gender). He shed for the 1st time on wednesday (today is Friday) The shed didn't seem to go very well. I think it's too dry in his tank.
Please, any advise is appreciated.
Here's a pic. Can anyone tell me exactly what I have here?


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Hi, welcome to the forum!

To help with the shedding, make sure he has planty of fresh water in his water dish. You can mist the snake with room temp water with a sprayer. The best thing would be to put the snake in a separate container with about an inch of water and let him soak for about 15 minutes. Then take him out, put a wet towel in the container and let the snake crawl on the towel for a while. This should help.

I agree the lamp is probably making the tank very dry. A under tank heater (UTH) is very popular among many of the people here.

From the pic, it appears to be a anery A corn snake.

Also, make sure you have plenty of hides for the lil guy. It doesn't have to be any fancy. I use empty toilet paper rolls. The snakes love them.

If you have anymore questions please ask.
 
Hi and welcome, Corn snakes do not require UVA/UVB lighting, it can be harmful to them. I use a heat light on some of my vivs, as stated before you can mist. You should also have a water bowl big enough for the snake to get in. Lot of hides, piece of wood, fake greenery (I get mine at the dollar store). All of this will make your snake feel more secure. good luck, susang
 
hi and congratulations! i have just become the owner of a baby corn snake myself! i brought the following for him

foot square tank
bedding
heat mat
thermometer
thermostat
water bowl
log
hide

good luck!
 
Corn snakes do not require UVA/UVB lighting, it can be harmful to them . . . I use a heat light on some of my vivs

I have probably said it before, but I will say it again (and by no means am I singling you out Susang--I'm just speaking more in general). There is no conclusive evidence, let alone really any at all, at this time that I am aware of, that the use of UVA/UVB lighting on corn snakes is harmful. This seems to be a common misconception, that someone said on a forum at one time or another, which is now being reverberated by a great number of people. Allow me to explain further.

If you go into a petstore, especially one of large chains, and some of the times the mom-and-pop shops, they probably will tell you that corn snakes need UVA/UVB lighting. Why you ask--well because they live in the same world we all live in (at least if you reading this), which operates by the almighty Dollar (Loonie, Euro, Shekel, etc.). They are trying to make a buck and will sell you just about anything. Now don't get me wrong, usually if a petstore tells you something, you will want to go in the exact opposite direction. But in reality, there is nothing wrong with providing your corn snake with a UVA/UVB light.

In fact, unless you are running a HID or Metal Halide, because you shut down your saltwater aquarium because it was just too much of a pain or it sucked every last dollar out of you (leaving no money left for more herps--which is always a bad thing), then more than likely you using a florescent, which produce much less ultraviolet light than the sun. At this point, you probably like so what danvega, you haven't really said anything--well let me explain.

No corn snakes may not need UVA/UVB light--the fact is we really don't know. I keep on asking my guys and girls, but they always just respond with, "mice again, why don't we ever go out for Chinese anymore?" Seriously though, here's a breakdown: UVA is the visible light, while UVB is the non-visible light.

To start with the latter, it is well documented than many types of reptiles need UVB light because it helps them manufacture Vitamin D3, which is extremely important for proper bone development and avoiding metabolic bone disease among other ailments. However, this is primarily for many of our herbivorous friends. So unless your corn snake is strictly on a diet of salad, it will obtain its D3 from its meaty prey (there are some snakes that do require UVB light though). So UVB light is not known to be needed. However, animals have an uncanny way of surviving (i.e survival of the fittest right). Some folks have theorized that snakes will adjust there living and may be able to maximize D3 through UVB light. This theory is neither proven/disproven. So what about the harmful effects you ask. Well, UVB is the cause of sunburn in humans. But, the composition of mammalian skin and snake skin is somewhat different. There have been tests showing that snake skin from albino and lighter skinned snakes lets through more UVB light. But this necessary does not equate to being harmful--snake skin is still thick and sheds quite often. There have been cases of snakes under UVB lights forming cataracts and other eye problems, but these cases are sporadic at best and there is no conclusive evidence, nor plausible link between UVB and cataracts (too many other factors).

As for UVA, the visible light, corn snakes may actually benefit from having it, as long as it is not left on 24/7. The visible light may help them with their daily time schedule and if used in proportion to the seasons, then it may also help them with their yearly schedule. I do place some weight on this theory, but for the most part, UVA enhances our viewing experience--so we can see them better--and if can't enjoy your snakes, whether in their vivs or out, then why even have them.

I think the key is that everyone must make the decision as to what is best for the snakes that they care for. Me personally, I only use a UVA/UVB light on one of my snakes--my amazon tree boa. And, its really not for it personally, rather for the plants in his vivarium. The rest of my group--corns and balls--live in tubs and it would be impossible and impractical to have lights for each. I do, however, open the shades to brighten the room. And its weird because some of them will come out everyday and lay out on the side of the tub by the windows, while others will never come out during the day.

It's important, whether you chose to use UVA/UVB lights, natural sunlight, or no light, is to provide them with enough cover so if they want to hide to avoid the light, they can. However, I strongly discourage the use of heat lamps. Even if regulated, they will ultimately dry out the environment (unless you religiously mist) and pose too many risks, in my opinion (fire hazard potential and for burns--even outside of the viv), which outweigh any benefit. If we were talking about beardies, then a heat lamp is almost essential, because they love to bask. However, corns generally do not bask from overhead heat (unless that is all that is available to them). They may lay where the heat lamp is, but more than likely they are enjoying the heat from where the lamp heated up the surface--this is why some of the best herping occurs after the sun goes down when they all come out to get the heat from the roads (also makes for a lot of runover snakes).

So to recap, if you have made it this far: UVA/UVB is probably not necessary, but at the same time it probably is not harmful. Either way, everyone needs to make the best decision for their respective animals and provide them with the best care that each of us can respectively do. Finally, if anyone knows of a scientific study (i.e. peer reviewed journal article) providing that UVA/UVB is harmful to [corn] snakes, let me know.
 
Thank you to everyone that replied. I have added another water dish (8" round) he/she can get in. Don't know if he/she does though. I will do the water/towel think as advised by "Rich in KY". Here's the dumb question.
What is viv an acronym for?
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danvega - I strongly discourage the use of heat lamps. Even if regulated, they will ultimately dry out the environment (unless you religiously mist) and pose too many risks, in my opinion (fire hazard potential and for burns--even outside of the viv), which outweigh any benefit.

I have to say i disagree with this in part. A heat lamp won't relentlessly dry out the environment if you live in a humid climate, i have to use one for the very purpose of reducing my humidity. Without it i'd be exposing my corn to unrelenting high levels of humidity, often 70-80% and i live in Britian (UK).

Also I would say theres no more risk posed by a guarded, regulated heat lamp, than by a UTH.

I guess my point is that the potential benefits/negatives from heat lamps can't be generalised.

Just my 2 cents :)
 
Thank you for the links. I am ordering the books. In the meantime, What do you think I should use instead of the pine? It came highly recommended by the teenager that worked in the pet supply house.
 
I use shredded Aspen for substrate, as do the majority of keepers on here. Corns seem to love tunneling through it and it's easier to "scoop the poop".

I wouldn't use pine as, if I remember correctly, it gives off a chemical that can be fatal to corn snakes, as well as other herps!

Hope that helps some.

Good luck and best wishes,
 
Thank you for the links. I am ordering the books. In the meantime, What do you think I should use instead of the pine? It came highly recommended by the teenager that worked in the pet supply house.

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I'm sorry the kid with a PhD in herpitology was off that day. You made me laugh, susang
 
To help with the shedding, make sure he has planty of fresh water in his water dish. You can mist the snake with room temp water with a sprayer. The best thing would be to put the snake in a separate container with about an inch of water and let him soak for about 15 minutes. Then take him out, put a wet towel in the container and let the snake crawl on the towel for a while. This should help.

That did the trick. I greatly appreciate it!
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