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jodu said:
Actually if a person dies and the coroner does not feel the need to do an autopsy the family would have to pay for one. The exception to this would be if the person had been in a research study that did autopsies as part of their protocol. I am not sure if some teaching hospitals would absorb the cost.
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I doubt people pony up costs to cover medical research for dead family. What you are referencing generally has more to do with personal comfort or legal responsibility, and not with helping humanity. Generally with people however, they can test most things (other than alzheimer's) while the patient is alive, so the argument for personal benefit still holds and they pay for themselves.

Don't they tend to get unclaimed morgue bodies for research? Or is that media fiction - I'm not sure.

-Sean
 
I don't think I made myself clear. If a family wanted an autopsy done for whatever reason, unless the case goes to the coroner the family would have to pay for the costs. There are many cases of people dying and tests pre - mortem don't explain why. Medical science still has a long way to go. Great advances have been made but there is still a lot to learn.

As to unclaimed bodies I am not sure what happens to them. I suspect it is a state by state approach. Some may get used in anatomy labs and I would guess a lot get buried in municipal plots.


Teratoma said:
What you are referencing generally has more to do with personal comfort or legal responsibility, and not with helping humanity.
-Sean
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Sorry, I lost you there!


Jo
 
jodu said:
I don't think I made myself clear. If a family wanted an autopsy done for whatever reason, unless the case goes to the coroner the family would have to pay for the costs. There are many cases of people dying and tests pre - mortem don't explain why. Medical science still has a long way to go. Great advances have been made but there is still a lot to learn.
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All right, so I go to Google and look up "autopsy cost 'medical research'" and the first link that comes up is this:
http://pathology2.jhu.edu/pancreas/medicaldonation.htm

It doesn't say "The family pays for the medical cost," in fact it says quite the opposite. They even pay to drag the body to the hospital. I'm supposed to be working so I have not followed the other links yet, but I think if we want to proceed on this issue perhaps we can bring in some evidence?

-Sean
 
That is a teaching hospital and that is a research study. Go ahead and do your research - you will find studies like this. Many patients don't fall into nice categories that meet research criteria or do not know about the studies.


Joanna
 
Well, let's think about how all of this started:

PJCReptiles said:
Our vet called a contact in California and they would like us to put him down and preserve his body for "Formalin Fix Necropsy" and do something like a gene history of him so the herp community can find an answer to this seemingly genetic disease.
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So, the owners do not want an autopsy for their own purposes. The "family" does not want an autopsy for "whatever reason", as you put it, they didn't want one at all. They are on the receiving end of a sales pitch on the grounds of some kind of benefit to science or whatever. So you are telling us about a situation that does not apply, and when I bring in something that has some correlation to this, you dismiss it as a "research" study?

At this point I feel like we are on the verge of hijacking a thread that should not suffer this, but I believe your justification of paying the cost was misleading. Jay & PJ, I'm sorry for you folks.
 
We had the same thing happen to a pair of animals that we bought from a breeder who shall remain nameless. Our vet too clearly identified it as a genetic issue and both animals passed away soon after one another. After seeing this thread, we wish we would have thought to donate the bodies to further study.
 
Hi guys and gals!

PJ & Jay, I am so sorry your little one has this problem, whatever it turns out to be. Hugs!

Someone else posted that their ball python had this happen, and I just want to mention that two of my ball pythons (now deceased!) did as well. They were unrelated, and housed seperately, though a parasite or something could have transfered, during feeding and cleaning or whatever. They had eating problems as well. I really don't know what happened in their tummies, but it must have been bad. As for genetics, maybe, who knows, but I wouldn't place all of my eggs in that basket. I would love to know of any necropsy results, but don't let us pressure you into spending money on it. $ is hard to come by.
 
BTW, I had 3 ball python babies that died (on unrelated), and one of them was stargazing, which I've heard is neurological... anyways, I thought their might be something parasitical going on.
 
Thanks Kim! If only we could say that Titus wasn't eating, but he ate all the time and grew steadily. They still think it something genetic like the things we listed earlier. Having a genetic deformity makes he more pro to illnesses. We know what we have been told, that he will not live to see full adulthood, cant be breed with a clear conscious, and we don't believe in letting him suffer to the very end. Still waiting on a few other's input and then we will have to decide. He doesn't always pull his chest in like that. Because he looks ok most of the time, I have a hard time facing the facts. Jay said we could pay another butter motley. I just need to find one now.

Thank you!
PJ & Jay :wavey:
 
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