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Concerned about a local "Breeder"

Something I was wondering about this breeder selling on CL, I thought it was against their rules to sell animals on their site. You can only ask for a rehoming or adoption fee or something like that. I say check into that and report her to the powers that be. Maybe then she'll have to reconsider breeding snakes as a hobby if she can't advertise for free. She might actually have to pay for a newspaper ad or join a website dedicated to cornsnakes....hmmm.
 
bitsy said:
I don't see myself as a "professional breeder", but I still breed Cornsnakes and have done for many years. Many actual professional breeders produce a range of animals. This isn't a cause for concern unless you have evidence of cruelty or neglect.

I really think you should step back. Husbandry concerns with no actual proof of cruelty, neglect or harm to animals, aren't really a reason to "Wade" in and start giving the benefit of your experience. Unsought advice is usually not well received.

I often recommend the Munson Plan to beginners as a very good starting point. It won't do harm for the vast majority of Corns and if a new keeper has no idea how to go about feeding, then it's an excellent reference point.

However, I'm also often found pointing out that these are guidelines and are not set in stone or the only way to do it. Just because a feeding regime departs from these guidelines, doesn't make a keeper bad unless their animals suffer because of it and they don't think to change what they're doing. You can't really go quoting the Munson Plan as gospel and labelling everyone who doesn't follow it, as bad keeper. Heaven knows, I'd be out on the cold very fast!
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Bitsy you are right. I don't have much experience and I think I may have been out of line. But I did do it with the best intentions. I didn't mean to offend so many people on here. :(
 
dionythicus said:
Something I was wondering about this breeder selling on CL, I thought it was against their rules to sell animals on their site. You can only ask for a rehoming or adoption fee or something like that. I say check into that and report her to the powers that be. Maybe then she'll have to reconsider breeding snakes as a hobby if she can't advertise for free. She might actually have to pay for a newspaper ad or join a website dedicated to cornsnakes....hmmm.
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It is against the rules to "sell" animals, but you can put them up for an adoption fee, which is exactly the same thing. Almost no one up here follows this rule though, and there are too many posts that are incorrect and not enough people flagging them!
 
But I did do it with the best intentions. I didn't mean to offend so many people on here.
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I completely understand Amanda. I didn't take offence at all, just thought I'd talk through my perspective. I think you could quickly go nuts taking on all the potential risks to Corns out there in the world! Good on you for caring.

You're good Amanda, your heart was in the right place.
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Hear hear!
 
Sinsational said:
A couple months ago on craigslist, I noticed a bunch of posts from a lady who says she is a cornsnake breeder. She was advertising 4 snakes being sold seperately for $100 each. Yesterday she posted them at $150 for the lot (3 left) and today she went down to $125 but they had to go together. I emailed her asking some general questions about them.
How old are they? 3 months.
-Is this possible? The eggs would have to have pip'd back in February.
How much are they being fed, and how often? Pinkies once a week.
-This really isn't a sufficient feeding schedule for young snakes as per the Munson plan.
Are they being housed together? YES
-This is really risky and especially bad husbandry for a "breeder"
Why are they being sold as a group? Because I like adults more than babies
What morphs are they? A snow, an okeetee and a regular.
-The pics she sent were a snow, a very very thin bordered regular and an amel.

I am so concerned by this breeder's husbandry! Without trying to be rude, I advised her that once a week isn't enough for a growing snake, and sent her a link to the dangers of cohabing graphic page on here, and advised her that the snake's aren't the same morphs as she is advertising. I also recommended that she come here for some advice and maybe wait a while and get more experience keeping snakes before she tries breeding again.
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that's funny, because she had the 3rd snake, the one on the blue background advertised as a "Caramel" for $100 bucks a few weeks back. which, it does look like to me. she's a bird breeder, i don't think she really knows much at all about snakes.
 
I agree. That third snake wasn't even in the pictures she sent me. She sent me pics of the snow, the amel and a regular. I think she had four and sold that caramel one. I guess it's hard to tell without something to compare them to, but they look bigger than 3 months to me??
 
It's very, VERY hard to judge age of a snake. I just acquired 2 snakes who are almost a year old, and they weigh in at 17 grams! I have 3 other snakes who are also almost a year old and hovering at around 100 grams
 
Well

It depends on what your cornsnake collection means to you,the horror storys that happens from people purchasing snakes off Craigslist and such.
If you only brought mites home from a animal and infected your whole collection, might feel like the end of the world!
What if and has happened alot, you buy something from a unkown breeder or craigslist deal and that snake has Crpyto,that you cant detect often until it is to late and by then you infected your whole collection and just have to sit and watch them die off.......
The list of problems is endless,if anyone decides to be a long term breeder,I really hope they take alot of precautions before these things can happen to you....
btw....Pete is a good guy with nice healthy animals,good choice!:)
 
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