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Creamcicle Confusion????

As usual Clint, beautiful Creamsicles you have there. I was troubled by what was directed at me in previous posts so I emailed Mr. Don Soderberg with SouthMountain Reptiles for some clarification. I won't publish the email because I don't have permission to do so but I do feel better after my contact with him. He confirmed what has already been said, a Creamsicle is a emoryi x guttata no if ands or buts about it. He also told me it would be impossible to know how much emoryi is in one. So I will stick with the name Creamsicle no matter how much emoryi is involved. I realize that the more corn there is it becomes harder to visually tell them apart and maybe they won't look quite so Creamsicle. So I'm still continuing my search for some Creamsicle females and life goes on. :D

:) Alicia
 
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Ok new question then....

I understand that if I were two keep this pair and breed them together that no matter what the phenotype they would be sold as Creams.I also understand the concern of some and the need to keep the E.g.g. blood pure. Being new to this perhaps I don't know just how deeply this is opposed by some. Is it a big Corn breeder NO-NO? What are your feelings about it?

It's just that I'm sensing a larger issue in some of the posts and I want to do this right!

Thanks all

Colleen
 
Leave it to me to play devil's advocate. Hehe. I'm trying to find a place here in Louisiana that I can capture some Kisatchies! :D

You always have to stir the pot to get all the flavors to mix. Great input from everyone.

On a similar note, how was the name Creamsicle coined? Anyone know?

Peter
 
Creamsicle Name

According to the CornSnake Manual (Page 88) it was coined presumably because of the pastel orange resemblance to the frozen desert on a stick.

:) Alicia
 
pdrau said:
The site that Alicia posted says that, but also says that the more it leans toward having more emory blood they call it red creamsicles.
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Creamsicle- "A hybrid between an amelanistic example of the cornsnake and Emory's Ratsnake. Generally orange blotches on a creamy pink background when bred as a 50/50 mix of the two. As the mix is shifted more towards Emory's Ratsnake, yellows are more prominent. More evidence of the cornsnake emphasizes red coloration, these examples are sometimes called Red Creamsicle"

Red Creamsicle AKA Butterscotch - "A hybrid between an amelanistic example of the cornsnake and the Emory's Ratsnake. Generally reddish orange blotches on a creamy orange background when bred as a 75/25 mix of the two."

Actually the Red Creamsicle would show MORE evidence of the corn, so 75/25 being heavy on the corn. Although even with this definition I have not seen any advertised as Red Creamsicles.




:) Alicia
 
About breeding creams...

IMO it's not going to be any kind of "black eye" on your reputation or anything if you breed creamsicles. When you look at all the respected names in cornsnakes, I think Rich Z is more the exception than the rule in that he doesn't breed or sell creams.

The important thing is to ensure that you are very responsible about informing anyone who buys offspring with any non-corn lineage so that they know very clearly what they are getting. I would suggest not selling creams to any pet shop or wholesaler (basically any reseller) whom you do not personally know and trust well enough to properly label them.

Obviously, it goes without saying that you should make sure to keep totally accurate breeding records for ALL of your lines. But I think that also extends to just being wise enough to know that if something odd pops up in a clutch (such as discovering something is het, or even a new trait) you will be able to better determine where it came from, and that in itself will be of great benefit. :)
 
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