Creamsicles, rootbeers and cinnamons - variations

[vanderkm]

Thought I would post a few pics of some of the holdbacks from this year's breedings - overall I am quite pleased with the results - but will have to give some of these guys a bit more time to develop color before making final decisions.

Some creamsicles - variation from nice oranges to more reddish tones even among siblings
feale

male

another male

a different clutch - het caramel

more to come in replies -


thanks for looking,


mary v.

 

[vanderkm]

Some rootbeers het caramel - better color than the caramels I have! These are from a second clutch

their sister from the first clutch

unrelated rootbeer, possible het caramel from miami line corn

and rootbeer het hypo from the line that produced cinnamons this year - this girl is very red!

and some cinnamons (hypo A version of emoryi corns)
from the second clutch - males are uniformly lighter and brigher than the females

first clutch female - a definite keeper!

thanks for looking - would love to see more photos of other emory/corns - please post more!


mary v.

 

[TandJ]

In the first group MAry, the second creamsicle looks exceptional.. Then of course the very last picture, I have a normal that has almost the same head markings...How cool is that.. Nice group you posted!

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[dionythicus]

I love the het caramels. Those colours are amazing. I'm glad to see more people working with the emoryi hybrids.

 

[vanderkm]

Thanks for the comments - I agree Tim - that male is a keeper - if only he hadn't insisted on lizard scented prey!! He is the only one I still have to convert to unscented mice - was a small hatchling but we will see if he catches up in size.

I am very pleased with how the caramel gene seems to work in creamsicle lines - very golden without the red overtones from corns. Hope to produce my first buttercreams next year and even the adult creams that are het caramel are quite distinctive.


mary v.

 

[SnakeAround]

The last is gorgeous! And the creamsicle het caramel too!

 

[Roy Munson]

What a great group, Mary! I have a couple of questions. Are those cinnamons pure emoryi? Once you alter the "default" emoryi color scheme, I have a tough time seeing the emoryi. And is there no chance that the rootbeers het caramel are homo caramel? They certainly are gorgeous.

 

[vanderkm]

What a great group, Mary! I have a couple of questions. Are those cinnamons pure emoryi? Once you alter the "default" emoryi color scheme, I have a tough time seeing the emoryi. And is there no chance that the rootbeers het caramel are homo caramel? They certainly are gorgeous.

Agree on the loss of emoryi influence - can be hard to distinguish and part of my reason for wanting to get a higher percentage emoryi into my creams down the road. Also the more reading I do on emoryi the more I realize how much variation there is within them and some characteristics I had attributed to them are actually just part of a range of appearances.

The cinnnamons in this post are from this breeding - creamsicle male to hypo corn female, so at most are 25% emoryi if I assume the cream is 50% which is an assumption on my part.

I produced one more cinnamon from a breeding of a more emoryi looking creamsicle (high saddle count, narrow saddles) bred to a ghost corn

this is the male from this breeding - more emoryi influence in my opinion - open head pattern, narrow saddles

In terms of the het caramel hatchlings - I wish they were caramel - they were from a caramel male to a female that I purchased as a butter but I got an amel hatchling in the first clutch - apparently the female was a yellow creamsicle not a butter. I actually suspect the caramel gene may show through more in emoryi lines because there is already a reduction in red. My creams het caramel from a couple years ago are very yellow at maturity.

This is the pair that produced the het caramels this year - I am going with this girl being a creamsicle because she is not a butter but I am taking these lines back to pure emoryi to increase the emoryi percentage in the future. There is some possibility that she was het caramel but all 'normal' offspring were very similar with 50/50 split that I would expect from breeding het to homo caramel

Below is a male creamsicle het butter that I produced 2 years ago showing how much the caramel influence shows through - I suspect more than would show in a regular amel het caramel. This is the breeding that produced the nicest creams in the post above!

thanks for your interest - I look forward to next year when my pure emoryi X creamsicles will be bred


mary v.

 

[Roy Munson]

thanks for your interest - I look forward to next year when my pure emoryi X creamsicles will be bred.

Thank YOU for such thorough answers to my questions. I look forward to seeing your results as you try to swing the gene balance back toward emoryi.

 

[Mrs InsaneOne]

Those are some stunning critters you produced there, I love the yellowyness (is that a word?) on the het caramels from the first clutch - stunning. Looking forward to seeing how they all look a few months down the road!

Jenn

 

[Fabius]

stunning. Looking forward to seeing how they all look a few months down the road!
Jenn

Me too! They are already so beautiful... it can only get better...

Emory or Emory Hybrids are not my favorites but when I saw these cute Cinnamons I changed my mind! Awesome snakes!

 

[Jimmy Johnson]

a few days behind

beautiful snakes.
Love the emoryi mixes.

here are a few photos of some of my creams, stripe creams, cinnamons, motley cinnamons, motley creams and rootbeers.

Rootbeer het hypo

Stripe Cream

Cream het motley

motley creamsicles

the next post will have cinnamons

 

[Jimmy Johnson]

more

I don't know why the rootbeer in the previous post isn't showing up but the link is good.

'05 cinnamon

a few cinnamon hatchlings from this season

a cinnamon motley hatchling

 

[vanderkm]

Gorgeous snakes Jimmy - it was photos of your cinnamons and the stripe motley lines of creamsicle derivatives that got me going in this direction - always nice to see the upcoming ones - love that cinnamon motley!! Will be a year or two more before I am there - unless I get really lucky next year on some hidden hets.

Thanks for sharing - I really love the cinnamon in the blue bowl - great color and those creamsicle motleys are fabulous!! So much potential in these combinations,


mary v.

 

[Jimmy Johnson]

Mary

Mary,
Your animals are exceptional.
It looks like it is up to us to show people just how beautiful the cinnamons can be....lol
I guess you noticed the male rootbeer het hypo?
He will be used to infuse more emoryi blood into my cinnamon line. I can't wait to see what 75% emoryi cinnamons will look like.
I also have a few emoryis I will be using to infuse more emoryi blood into my creams.
Not to mention two of the male emoryis and the two females are all het albino so I will get to produce albino emoryis in a couple of seasons as well.
It's hard to get photos that do the cinnamons and motley creamsicles justice.
They are beautiful in person.
We will have to find some way to trade some cinnamons to get new blood in our lines! Maybe we can work something out to get a couple of cream motleys up there to you as well
keep showing those emoryi mixes!

 

[TandJ]

The striped creames are killer Jimmy... Nice job!

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[vanderkm]

Appreciate all the kind words -

Jimmy - I really like that rootbeer het hypo of yours - I love the look of the rootbeers - such rich coloration. Is he from an emoryi parent?

I am working on increasing the emoryi percentages in mine also - have some youngsters in brumation now that are from an emoryi female X creamsicle het hypo male so they are het amel, possible het hypo. I am really looking forward to seeing what they produce next year when bred back to the lines I have now - these are the original emoryi (she is 7 years old now and in a pet home) and her offspring that will be breeding for me next year

rootbeer male

rootbeer females

I just wish I had had my butter motley corn to breed to the emoryi female when she was here - now will have to work though several generations to get my caramel emoryi/corns to have high emoryi percentage.

I also have amel emoryi - youngsters now so will be a while before I am using them - am still hesitant to introduce the emoryi amel into corn lines where amel is present - too complicated!!

I certainly agree that these guys deserve to be promoted - I think they are wonderful - great personality and I find them more outgoing and active than my corns,


mary v.

 

[SnakeAround]

Mary, your silver and copper rootbeers have my favorite look! You guys over here are getting me into mixing blue motley into emory's as an experiment... woudln't that be nice? Hehe...

 

[Tom Tuttle]

Fantastic!

What a Killer group! They are beautiful!! Congrats!! :cheers:

Jimmy I love those cinnamons!!Screamers! :cheers:

 

[dionythicus]

I have a rootbeer male that will look much like those. He's het amel so he'll be paired with the cream that I produced this year and the cinnamon that I'm expecting next week. Plus I plan to use my male emoryi in more projects to increase the emoryi influence, too. He's very grey. Nice to see someone else doing that.