Difference between a salmon snow and salmon motley?

[KyGirl]

I am looking at getting a salmon snow but was recently offered the sale of a salmon motley. I did a web search and the photos I found of salmon motley's look about like the photos of salmon snows. All this morph stuff gives me a headache trying to figure out. I just know I liked the greenish borders the salmon snows have and I want a pinkish snake. Do all salmon snows look about like this
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/salmon_snow/
with variation in color saturation

here is a photo that came up when I did a google search for salmon motley
http://www.iherp.com/Public/Animals/AnimalPhotoGallery.aspx?AnimalID=97328

They look pretty similar to me. Visual subtleties seem to slide right by me and I have a hard time with small details. I do realize that hatchling looks way different than an adult so have have been trying to find adult photos of these snakes. Will the salmon motley have the greenish border around the spots. Thanks for reading this and for any info that you provide.

 

[ghosthousecorns]

Motley is a gene mutation that affects the pattern, so if they are both salmon snows the motley one would have no belly checkers and ideally a pattern of circles down its back just like the one you linked (some of them also have stripes and/or "q-tip" shaped markings)

 

[KyGirl]

thanks. I like the motley pattern. I am not too concerned if the snake isn't exactly true to type. I never plan to breed. I just want a pet. All of my animals came to me because they were cast offs. I don't like the idea of buying from a pet store so I am checking out some of the breeders here that are local and plan on buying from one of them. I might go ahead and buy the salmon motley if I can come up with the money and later on buy a regular paterned salmon snow. I admire all of you that can keep all the enormous variation of corn snakes straight.

 

[dave partington]

Oh dear. Should I really "go here"?

As soon as you read "salmon", "coral", "redcoat" "red Factor", "masque", "Strawberry", "cherry", "pink snow", and so forth, you'll need to toss out the window the Mendelian genetics and Punnet squares. Unless they're tightly clung to you. Motley is a pattern. Some patterns cause colors to be darker or lighter, or have other affects on color as well. As do integrated line-bred hets , which may be visually expressed as genes or traits.

Just get the one you reallllly want for whatever your projected goal is If one of the 4 anery's is in the mix of the end goal, then try to think about how it will translate.

Will the salmon motley have the greenish border around the spots. Thanks for reading this and for any info that you provide.

I have to hold back hatchlings for up to a couple years and then decide if they are going to be suitably greenish for me. And yet, green is fleeting. Some 1-2 yr olds that have green lose the green at age 4-5; others keep their green. Hypo seems to be a player from what I've seen, though I suspect other lesser known on/off switches (Things which act like genes but might be super-recessive genes or traits or something else un-named- seem to be at work here).