Distintive belly pattern of emoryi crosses

[vanderkm]

I have heard suggestions that the emoryi influence produces a distintive belly pattern in creamsicles and other crosses - clear in the central area with just the edge of the checkers along the sides of the belly.

I find it a bit hard to notice in my creamsicles because the belly checkers are so light, but I got a few photo of our yearling rootbeers and the three we kept back all have quite a different pattern from my normal corns. These are a cross of creamsicle corn to great plains ratsnake.

Thought I would post a few pics for people to consider -
the great plains ratsnake mom of rootbeers - girthy snake - a bit distorted by being closer to the camera than my hand - but she is a big girl - she seems to me to have similar checkers to what I see on my corns,

rootbeer yearling
saddle pattern

belly pattern - only a very thin black line along the side of the belly scales and faint tan checkers that barely extend onto the abdominal scale. They are this pattern full length and all from this clutch are similar.

Is this something that others have noted - especially with crosses that have a high percentage of emoryi (aren't too diluted with cornsnake)?

thanks for looking,

mary v.

 

[TandJ]

I know I won't be much help Mary, but I looked at one my RB's, ( they were hatched earlier this summer, so it probably is not any help for you ) and the tummy was checkered.. It is believed mine are 75% corn and 25% Em.. The tummy colouration is changing from white to a light orangy gold.. NExt year they should be something!

Regards..

 

[MastersHaven]

? hmmmmmmm ?

I have heard this same thing said before but I'm not so sure it is an accurate assumption... Yes, my full Emoryi female has similar markings (the clear streak down the center) BUT I also have several FULL corns that have that same type pattern... a few are from my last Anery het Amel & Charcoal X Anery het Amel & Charcoal breeding and the other is a totally unrelated female Anery also het for Charcoal... and Hypo.

I have seen this pattern in other charcoals and charcoal hets also.

Could it be that some where WAAAAY-Back the charcoal gene could be tied in with the Emoryi genes?!?!?!

come on all you genetic wiz's -- feed us some knowledge!

 

[lefty_mussolini]

The first pic is an adult Cream (50% Corn, 50% Emoryi.) His belly looks pretty corny. Normal checkers on this guy, it seems. Pic 2 is one of his rootbeer babies (75% corn, 25% corn) which is a sibling to Tim's(TandJ) Rootbeers. Her belly has very normal checkering. Both have more consistent checkering than some of my pure corns. I notice more of a broken belly pattern in my hypos.

 

[KJUN]

taxonomically speaking, the only difference in ventral pattern between emoryi, guttata, and slowenskii that seems to be true almost completely across the board that can be counted and described completely is the number of coninuously checked ventrals. Corns have more than emoryi "ever" have.

KJ

 

[vanderkm]

Interesting pics - would really like to see some from pure emoryi and first generation crosses - as I find this interesting.

KJ - very interesting information and not something I had heard before, but it is often difficult to find and sort through the taxonomy information and I have not known where to find reliable descriptions. Appreciate you bringing that info -

mary v.