My gosh, I can't believe I'm reading let alone replying to such nonsense.
daytona said:
ust freeze them. It's really the best way. They get cold, then numb. Their thin skulls let the brain die fast. They don't know what's happening. They're just dumb mice. Think about the last time you played in the snow too long.
The last time I played in the snow too long, my fingers and toes got frostbit. Pretty close to the same sensation a mouse would feel before it eventually expired. Either you've got an industrial strength freezer, or ya just like being unnecessarily cruel to "dumb mice".
Humans are dumb critters too, I'll take a gander if I stuff you in a freezer that your unexposed extremities would painfully freeze before the rest of ya. Frostbite hurts, mice feel pain...whats to think about? I am not an animal rights person by any means, but why make them suffer needlessly?
BTW... I got bit feeding a live one last week. Ouch! Did that hurt!
Feeding live, now there's something that doesn't cause pain...talk about being a responsible snake owner. Thats like giving kids a blender with a shorted connection to play with. You just never know when it may decide to "come awake and chew on ya".
He wouldn't let go. I had to slam him on the floor. It killed him but drove his teeth further into my finger.
Must be nice having elastic arms..can slam the mouse to the floor from a standing position and still have it in your finger. At least "slamming" mice is a hell of a better way to die than being slowly frozen to death.
Be brave. It's really ok. All animals have to eat.
Animal cruelty is nothing to be brave about and it certainly isn't ok. Its ignorant people like you who give any animal rights organization ammunition to try to outlaw the keeping of pets, period.
I understand what you meant to say, how you meant to say it and the implications of what I said. However you ought to go to a slaughter house or a pig farm some time. There you will see inhumane activity.
And your point is? I don't like the fact that the meat on my dinner table met a gruesome end. And thats why animal rights people don't eat meat. I on the other hand, like Pcar, field dress my own deer and food when I have the chance. I like knowing my food met a more humane end, rather than tossed aside like an empty soda bottle. If you have no respect for your prey, then you have no respect for the living animals (dumb or not).
I however, enjoy a succulent thick-sliced grilled smoked pork chop, don't you?
In fact killing any animal with my bare hands is out of the question.
Oh, all distanced yourself from the actual killing eh? What about that mouse you "slammed to the floor" rather elastically, count as then?
And finally..
Being Jewish, I find the idea of a gas chamber extremely offensive.
The utilization of gas chambers in Nazi Germany have absolutely no correlation to the utilization of gas to euthanize mice. The Nazi's used Zyklon-B, a nasty chemical that causes extreme pain before death (much like your freezer method, I might add). My late grandfather fought in WWII, and he helped to free Bergen-Belsen concentration camp. And when he came upon the Nazi's surrendering in the droves as though they were innocent, and after looking at all of the atrocities around him, his unit shot all surrendering Nazi soldiers on sight.
On the other hand, CO2 is a natural by-product of respiration and effectively puts the mice to sleep with little to no pain involved. A couple of minutes, rather than slowly freezing to death in a freezer at the "hand" of someone with issues. CO2 euthanization is approved by the American Veterinary Association as a humane way to euthanize animals who're too small to undergo chemical euthanasia.
So the next time you feel you have to put "box and all" into the freezer, think about the mouse slowly freezing to death...its ears, fingers, tail slowly developing ice crystals in the tissues that rupture the cell walls...just because they can't scream doesn't mean that they don't feel pain. Even "dumb people" scream when in pain...dumb doesn't have any bearing on ethical pracitices in animal husbandry.
57...and still have a long way towards growing up. :eek1:
