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Erytheia's New Skin (Lots of pics, DUW)

Becca

Becca

Eternally Confused
Erytheia shed today, so I took her out for some pictures in her new skin. This girl is an enigma to me. She looks just like the Strawberry pictured on Ian's site. The only thing I know about her (and that is just what I was told, no fact yet) is that she is het for Butter. One of these days I'll try to prove that out, but what I'm more intrigued about is whether or not she really is a Strawberry. I've looked at tons of pictures of Hypos and she just doesn't resemble any of them. What do you guys think?


Erytheia, 0.1 (possible Strawberry) Hypo, yearling.

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Umm, no....she is not a normal. She's definitely Hypo, I'm just not sure if she's actually a Strawberry Hypo or not.
 
Her ventrum seems to have no black checkers (maybe some dark 'flecks' anteriorly) and becomes uniformly red/orange poteriorly.
That would not be a normal corn snake.

What is a strawberry's tummy supposed to look like?
 
Well...according to Ian's Vivarium, there is no ventral picture for a Strawberry. However, one of the people (ok, the only person) that posted pics of their Strawberry posted one of the hatchling's ventral and it looks JUST like Erytheia's. In fact, Erytheia could be the spitting image of that Corn. I hope I don't get in trouble for posting the link (and if I do, a mod can feel free to delete!), but this will lead you right to the page I'm talking about: http://iansvivarium.com/morphguide/strawberry/
 
Err....forgot to say scroll all the way to the bottom where the submitted pictures are. :)
 
Hmmmm....and I'm no expert. I do know she is not a plain normal. Becca, ask Tara80 (here on cs.com) to look at your pics. She's the one who posted those on ian's viv, and is really into the strawberry genetics.
 
Wow, well there is DEFINITELY something odd going on with that belly! Can we get a full ventral picture? Looks like perhaps there may be a few checks..

She may be diffused, with not very good diffusion, or het diffused. :shrugs:
Odd that you don't have any information on that, but perhaps you can find out more through breeding trials.

Also, I want to point out that "Ian"s vivarium is a compilation of many different pictures of various hobbyists snakes. It appears that anyone from the general public can upload a picture to add to the examples.

Charles Pritzel (whos snakes are pictured amongst the Strawberry examples) has much more information about this gene posted on his site and forum.. I will NOT post a link though, because I know I am not suppose to..

Just trying to give you a place to find more information..
I don't think looking at a few pictures from various sources is enough to say that you have a possible homo animal.
 
It has been my observation that strawberries look extremely similar to hypo A and it is very difficult to tell exactly what it is you've got without test breeding.
There are many color variations of hypo A (similar to the multiple color variations in normals) and many variations do take on a red hue.
Essentially you really don't know, you could have a full hypo with het influence, you could have hypo/straw OR you could have a strawberry. Because strawberry has been around a long time (since the early 90s) and has just recently been individually defined, many people actually have it in their stock (especially noticeable with coral snows and pink hued anerys) and it is now just beginning to be separated out and intentionally combined with other morphs.
The pictures I submitted to Ian's Vivarium, I know for a fact are strawberry. I received them from D. Soderberg who had/has been working on specifically separating out traits from his pink snows lines. Although, they bear a striking resemblance to the normal hypo A.
I would say: Test breeding is in order! :)

And no, you cannot just 'upload' pictures into Ian's Vivarium. He evaluates and asks questions prior to posting them.
 
Thanks a bunch for the input, everyone. :) I wish that the guy I had gotten her from had known more about what she is. He had only been interested in selling her (along with Loki and Calliope) and wasn't too specific. He did say that she was some sort of Hypo and was het for Butter. That's about all I know, lol.

So...if I was to test breed her for Strawberry, what would you guys suggest that I get to do this? Just another known (and proven) Strawberry...possibly het for Butter (if I could find one, lol!)?

I will try to get some better pictures of her ventral side and post them up. Sometimes she is a squirmy little devil, but my hubby will probably help me with the camera part of it. Anyway, thanks again for everyone's input, I really appreciate it!
 
If you have any clear containers or bowls that you can put a lid on so the snake can't escape, you can get a picture that way. I its just a little difficult trying to hold the bowl over my head and take a picture looking up with one hand. But easier than trying to get the snake to stop wiggling around long enough.

As for your snake. She looks a lot like my hypo. Who I still call a normal because she looks normal except she has no black (just a few grayish specks). But from what I can see of that red belly it sure looks cool! You got one pretty little snake no matter what she turns out to be.

Ps
I've submitted a picture of my bubblegum snow to Ians Vivarium and had no questions asked. It was up the next day. Maybe because with the pink and the green she is pretty much obviously a bubblegum.
 
Thanks for the ideas. :) I tried out your suggestion, but only a couple of them really turned out well enough to see her belly. :nope: Since the hubby wasn't home, I went ahead and tried to get some of her outside of the container, so hopefully with all of the images, you guys will be able to get a better look at her belly. She doesn't have black on her anywhere, all of the dark flecks are more of a soft gray color. The closest to black she has is a single spot on her belly (see pictures below), and I think even then it is just a darker gray. :D I also took some pictures of her side on closeup to show that she doesn't have much (if any) diffusion (or much that I can see at this point in her age). Anyway, I guess I'll just keep calling her a Hypo for now and try to prove out the Strawberry instead of focusing on her het for Butter.


Belly shot, from inside a clear tub.
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Belly shot, outside of the tub.
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The only "black" spot on her, more of a dark gray.
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A look at her sides, to check for diffusion.
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