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Evil mouse=no more live feeds!

A mouse trap? Are you kidding me? Half the time they do nothing but cause undue pain and a slow death even in wild mice, which is why I've stopped using them for the most part.

To put it bluntly, if you can't kill a mouse by either CO2 or whacking...you don't need to be raising or buying live mice for snake food, simply put.
 
Taceas said:
A mouse trap? Are you kidding me? Half the time they do nothing but cause undue pain and a slow death even in wild mice, which is why I've stopped using them for the most part.

To put it bluntly, if you can't kill a mouse by either CO2 or whacking...you don't need to be raising or buying live mice for snake food, simply put.
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The only time I haven't seen a mouse killed instantly in a trap is the glue trap. A well baited snap trap (such as with peanut butter that can't be lifted off easily) works quickly and effectively.
 
im not sure how effective just putting one in a pillowcase would be and swinging it into the floor. never tried it... i heard one guy say he just throws them against a wall as hard as possible. i don't kill my mice so i really don't have to do that...
 
Well I was so annoyed at the little monster that I went the 'sock and swing' way on the euthanasia website, except I used a small clear plastic bag so I knew it's head was at the end. Very fast: mouse in bag, swing to edge of table, thump, done.

I can't even get baking soda over here, grrrr. Though I'd be worried I did it wrong, hard to tell if mouse is unconscious or dead (that may sound very daft but as I've never done it, that's what I wonder). Can't see the swing going wrong, just make sure you don't do it in a wimpy way. I thought about doing the 'pencil on neck, yank tail' thing, but they squiggle all over which makes me hesitate which is just what you don't want to do. Think all mine are going to get swung.

Luna is still in her hide. Haven't seen her come out since the biting incident, though she does change position from what I can see. She was such a sweet docile thing, I hope this doesn't change that. Though if I was shoved in a smaller house with a raving dog or something that kept biting me, I'd be pretty uncooperative with whoever did it too.
 
chill out Taceas

"To put it bluntly, if you can't kill a mouse by either CO2 or whacking...you don't need to be raising or buying live mice for snake food, simply put."


Don't quite know how to respond to that...simply strange
If someone doesn't use your approved method they have no right to get mice...... HMMMM


By the way, as stated above...
If I have to use "live" mice, I whack them.....
but I guarantee if you hold a mouse's head in a mouse trap that little sucker will be killed instantly.
 
small confession here, a few years ago when I was breeding gerbils I sometimes homed couples of 2 males or 2 females to friends or family, who raised them together with no problems. Then I ran down the colony and was eventually gerbil-less for a few years. I spotted a male trio of young adults in a small cage in the petshop and brought them home. I set them up in a 40gallon tank half full of a peat mix so they could burrow away happily.
one night there was a terrible commotion and I had to seperate them with a couple of sticks because they had suddenly turned on each other and ripped each other apart, the injuries were horrific, eyes hanging out and so on. It was a saturday night, I didn't know any co2 type stuff, and they were dying slowly in front of me, the boys were small children who I couldn't let wake up in the morning to see the results, so I did the plastic bag, 1 hard whack method as it was all I could think of. The gerbils were instantly out of pain and the boys never knew that their pets hadn't 'ran away in the night'.
I found the incident so traumatic that I wouldn't do it again willingly, and plan to use the co2 for my feeders, but I would definately vouch for it's effectiveness in an emergency, as long as you don't hesitate.
 
PJ FF said:
WOW, there alot of people doing alot of stupid ways
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Well, that was a real constructive addition to this discussion.


Lina, I have a hard time grasping that you can't get baking soda in Taiwan. I'm not disbelieving you, it is just one of those things I can't get my mind around. Seems I use baking soda in nearly everything I bake, and couldn't imagine not having it around. Perhaps there is someone who could send you some.
 
It's really really rare to even see an oven in anyone's home. People over here don'e bake! We got a toaster oven that's ok for cookies and such but we had to send off for it.

It's not as bad to get stuff here than it was in China though, I used to go to Shanghai (3 hour journey) just to get cheese. Mmmmm, cheese.

Anyway, back to snakes. Luna stayed in her hide all this time, and earlier today when I peeked she rattled her tail at me and hissed like a banshee. Then just now she gave me a total heart attack, I thought she'd had enough and found a way to escape. Turns out she's under the substrate, but I mean completely under. She normally pokes out her head and tail but now if you look in the tank, no snake! Should I be getting her out to get her used to me again? Or should I leave her some more days alone? She hasn't eaten since I got her, she's a year old though so I'm not too worried yet. It's something like 2 weeks since she last (supposedly) ate.
 
A healthy snake can usually go a month or more without food before any serious bad things start happening, though it's really not recommended to let them go that long without food unless they are in brumation. (I haven't brumated my snakes yet so you'll have to ask someone else for more information on brumation.) As for handling her, I'd say yes, two days should be enough for her to have calmed a bit, just try not to be afraid of getting tagged, and don't 'reward' her by putting her back when she does something that makes you uncomfortable, wait until she's calm.
Mouse traps are classed as a quick-kill trap, similar to the Conibear trap used for foxes, wolves and other fur bearing animals. The requirement for these traps is that the bar come down on the head or shoulder with sufficient force to kill the animal within a very short amount of time. (I'm not sure the exact length) With the frailness of mouse bones, a mouse trap should shatter their skull (instant death), or crush their chest (spine broken, so no feeling, and the heart is compressed, death very quickly). A mouse trap is designed to kill mice, If it didn't work extremely well, then it wouldn't sell.
 
Snakes can go quite a while without eating just fine.
However, if you've left her alone for several days, you may want to take her out and try to feed her in a seperate container with a dead mouse already there in the corner. Just leave her for a while and step back to see if she eventually goes over to eat it. Sometimes the snakes do burrow completely. She will eventually come around once she gets used to the experiencing that you are not going to hurt her.
 
ypu can always just break the neck..get a gd grip behind the head and grab the tail and pull its alot quicker and better ofr the mouse than being smacked against the wall then you can do what you want with it.
 
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