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Eyeless Bloodred het Hypo, Lavender

I have just discovered this post due to the recent activity. After reading it all, I am perplexed why nearly everyone is so against breeding him? For starters it is likely not that easily inherited, but even if it was passed on is that really such a big deal for a captive bred animal? Especially a snake? He is not blind in the true sense, think about it, snakes "see" more with their tongue than their eyes. If he were in the wild this would likely be weeded out with him dying at th e hands of an overhead predator, but he will live in a container.

This is nothing like a blind dog/horse or cat, they are very dependant on thier eye sight along with sense of smell.

I am not saying you should or shouldn't, I just don't undersatnd most peoples "don't perpetuate a "blind" line of corns.

I do find it intereting that the color band seems to stop as if his eye was there rather than extending across the foreign skin. Just an observation. SMR hatched out an eyeless Charcoal I think and I believe it made it to full adulthood with no issues, it eats and moves fine. I'll try and find the pic of that snake if I can.

dc

Maybe I'm completely wrong, but I want to hazard a guess.

What if it were bred and all its progeny were NOT blind? Would they be sold as "het blind" or simply sold as "normals" or "classics" or whatever he is? Then those snakes are bred and all of the sudden blindness starts to occur in some of the purchasers' (more than one buyer) progeny... Maybe not all at once, but here and there. Would the "normal" ones again be sold off to other buyers?

All I know is that I would not want to have those genes passed on purposefully or not to snakes that would be sold into the "non het blind" gene pool.

Hope I made sense... LOL. At the very least, I've probably oversimplified things.
 
Again, I really do not think the trait is heritable. Think in terms of humans or other "animals." If two blind persons have children, not all of their children are blind. In most cases, I think none are. Likely there is just something that happened during the incubation period that caused this, maybe a lack of some need mineral, some sort of trauma, anything. I talked with Don Soderberg a little tonight and he said he hatches at least one eyeless snake a year (typically) and so far that none of them have reproduced eyeless progeny. BTW, the one I mentioned he had sent me pics of was a Miami phase not charcoal and it is not 3 years old with no issues, he eats, pops and moves normally per Don.

To answer your question, let's pretend this was a simple recessive trait. In that case, the breeder should act responsibly and advertise the animal as "het eyeless" much the same as a breeder would advertise "het hypo or het bloodred." There would be no reason to hide the genetics. However, if it were simple recessicve, then I can see the same concern you have for "possible het" eyeless corns. Maybe someone has possible hets and doesn't advertise them because he doesn't think it is a big deal, then it could be passed by the purchaser inadvertantly (assuming he got a definite het from his possible het). Make sense? So yours is a valid concern much like when people post photos of their animals produced by unknown hets.

dc
 
Again, I really do not think the trait is heritable. Think in terms of humans or other "animals." If two blind persons have children, not all of their children are blind. In most cases, I think none are. Likely there is just something that happened during the incubation period that caused this, maybe a lack of some need mineral, some sort of trauma, anything. I talked with Don Soderberg a little tonight and he said he hatches at least one eyeless snake a year (typically) and so far that none of them have reproduced eyeless progeny. BTW, the one I mentioned he had sent me pics of was a Miami phase not charcoal and it is not 3 years old with no issues, he eats, pops and moves normally per Don.

To answer your question, let's pretend this was a simple recessive trait. In that case, the breeder should act responsibly and advertise the animal as "het eyeless" much the same as a breeder would advertise "het hypo or het bloodred." There would be no reason to hide the genetics. However, if it were simple recessicve, then I can see the same concern you have for "possible het" eyeless corns. Maybe someone has possible hets and doesn't advertise them because he doesn't think it is a big deal, then it could be passed by the purchaser inadvertantly (assuming he got a definite het from his possible het). Make sense? So yours is a valid concern much like when people post photos of their animals produced by unknown hets.

dc
Well, since you've talked to Don, then my "hazarded guess" is shot out of the water. It's been too long since I've talked to him. Probably won't remember me... LOL. I respect his opinion quite a bit, so you won't find me arguing. LOL.
 
Well, you wouldn't breed a line of blind cats/horses/dogs, would you? Why breed an eyeless snake?

Obviously, breeding an animal in a color that is linked to health problems is a bad idea, and I should have mentioned that lol.

I'm not pushing the idea (though I wouldn't be up in arms against it, either... guess I'm blind-snake agnostic ;D ) but it seems to me cornsnakes are less sight-dependent than cats, horses, and dogs. Aren't there species of blind snakes naturally? (of course, those are usually much more burrowing oriented than corns)
 
Hi,

on my breed on 07/22/2009 independently hatched a eyeless corn, too.

I think it´s a girl and so I named her Sally.

She´s very beautifull and behaves normally like all other corns of this clutch. I hope she´ll normally grow up.

Pictures and information you´ll find on www.eyeless-sally.de

Regards from Germany
Jan
 
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