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Feeding after brumation

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graffixcs

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Hey everyone,
To cut a very long story short I have a 4yo pair of corns, never bred or even brumated for that matter, I am experimenting with the "off season" breeding.

They have just been brumated (by me) for 10 weeks and are about to be warmed (by the time you read this I will have been tagged by the female as she has ALWAYS had an attitude).

My question is, Is 3-4 days enough time for them to warm before offering a small (comparative for them) meal to get their gut working?

I would also appreciate "real experiences" of the sequence you use after brumation as to when you introduce the male.

I did do quite a few searches and have read all I can find, I would still like some personal experience feedback. Everything appears very similar to Australian natives that I have experience with, however this is my first attempt at getting corns to ummmm .... tango.

Many thanks in advance :cheers:
 
I did a partial brumation last year as I either had loccations that were too cold or not cold enough...so I just emptied them and then left them in unheated tubs for 8 weeks or so. After I turned the heat back on I waited about 5 days before giving them a small meal and then 5 days later gave them a normal sized meal before waiting for the females shed and then introducing them....no problems in my camp...but I have a small sample group.
 
Attitude ..... CHECK !

OK I was wrong (bet you never thought you'd hear that from a guy). I thought she might have a strike at me, but not 3!!!! Bluff? .... nah, I have the blood to prove it. What is up with this girl?
(I am the first to admit I don't like being bitten)
 
We brumate over winter - have not tried any off-season, but they come up from 55 degrees to 70 degrees room temp for about 4 days. They are then returned to their regular cage with a 90 degree hot spot available, cool end about 75. We offer a small meal (to anyone who is sticking their heads out of the hide when the mice are thawing) on about the 4-5th day that they have had full heat. The girls usually eat, about half the males are interested and may take 1-2 meals before thoughts turn to breeding. The second and following meals are full size for everyone who wants to feed - with the focus on breeding females feeding about every 5 days.

We put the first shed from a female with the male we have chosen for her - get him worked up a bit. He goes in with her the next day til breeding is observed. Most of our corns will breed after first shed, but some females hold out til after the second shed. Laying within 2 weeks of pre-lay shed,

Will be interested to hear how the shift in season works out for you,

mary v.
 
I don't think you could hurt anything by introducing the male whenever you like . Just keep Putin them together they will know when it's time. I feed mine as soon as they are back to there regular temps and the are usually very hungry and ready to eat.
 
Graf I too would be interested in the results of your off-season efforts!! What were your temps for cooling?? How long did you cool (as I have read this varies with everyone)??

thanks!!! Sorry I guess this was a little off topic, and I am not trying to steal your post!!


terrysangel79
 
No apologies needed.

The temps were a consistant 65F at night and fluctuated between 70-75F during the day. I don't know if the fluctuation will affect them at all, but we will find out soon enough. They were in a dark tub (semi-translucent) for 10 weeks after emptying out.

Interesting notes, the male shed 2 weeks into brumation and the female went blue one week short of coming out (week 9), again, I don't know if this will affect them.

Just as a reminder, this pair was purchased as 4 year olds that were pets and kept at a constant 85F (warm end) since hatchlings. They were also housed together the entire time until I got them 4 months ago. The female definitely has an attitude and does not hesitate to strike, no bluff, she connects .... hard. They were never brumated, hence never bred.

"Off season" breeding has been done, I am simply going to see if this pair knows what the "outside" season is, if nothing else.

I will keep updates, as of today it is their first "warm up" day.
 
You may want to consider increasing day length and light intensity as they come out, as an additional cue to simulate springtime. Their brumation temp was not very low, so it might help get ovulation happening.

Interesting that these were housed together for 4 years and never bred. Many corns will breed without any brumation and females will readily lay infertile eggs when in the same room as males, even if they have never been bred - so quite unusual that they did not have any breeding activity. Maybe it is because the female is such a nasty character!!

Looking forward to hearing the results of your efforts.

mary v.
 
I am an advocate of "separate housing" for snakes particularly, but here's an interesting fact that defies this guide, the female was fine ..... until I separated them, go figure.
 
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