first pippie ever but what is it??

[Jrgh17]

coloradoflower31-

On the Manx gene: Manx is a dominant trait, but all cats which are Manx are heterozygous for the trait. Any cat (fetus version) which is homozygous dominant for Manx will be stillborn. The trait is known as being homozygous lethal.

 

[tbtusk]

Susan, wow, that's the snake exactly. Interesting hypo.

 

[KJUN]

jmksnakes - A good suggestion, but a snake cant be het for ultramel because ultramel is allele to amel, so it could be het for amel.

A snake can be het for amel OR ultra. If het for ultra, it would produce ultramels if bred to a snake that has the amel allele. If you breed an ultramel to a normal, you get normals het for amel OR ultra.

KJ

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

3 more pips and they are all the same... 5 of 5 are this "ultramel?" coloring

 

[jaxom1957]

3 more pips and they are all the same... 5 of 5 are this "ultramel?" coloring

Five is a small sample, but it is statistically significant. If both of your snakes are het hypo, the odds of an individual hatchling being hypo are one in four. If your anery is het ultra, the odds of any hatchling being ultramel are one in two. The odds of five hatchlings being hypo are 1 in 500. The odds of five hatchlings being ultramel are 1 in 250. Your hatchlings are twice as likely to be ultramel as they are to be hypo.

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

I know 5 is a small number but since she only had 7 eggs.. I think that means quite abit. Thanks for the input though. I appreciate it

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

oh dear!!! I lied well, I didnt intentionally lie.. just spoke too soon. here is a pic of 4 of the babies and the 5th one out is pink with pink saddles. Sorry about the pic quality but I wanted to take a quick pic to show

 

[coloradoflower31]

Beautiful babies

They are beautiful babies, Dee! I love the pictures.
Jen

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

thanks Jen I am so excited hehe this little pink one was abit of a shocker lol

 

[coloradoflower31]

What is it?

thanks Jen I am so excited hehe this little pink one was abit of a shocker lol

Do you know what it is?

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

I assume candycane but to be honest... I dont know lol

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

well, I will say it this way.... mom says candycane because that is what the father is but me?? I will say I think its a snow... now.... lets see what someone who knows something says

 

[jaxom1957]

oh dear!!! I lied well, I didnt intentionally lie.. just spoke too soon. here is a pic of 4 of the babies and the 5th one out is pink with pink saddles. Sorry about the pic quality but I wanted to take a quick pic to show

It looks too dark to be a snow. More likely an amel. Which it is should become apparent after it sheds.

 

[KJUN]

It looks too dark to be a snow. More likely an amel. Which it is should become apparent after it sheds.

I agree. It's a dark image, but that looks more like an amel than a snow to me.

......and, on another point, just because ONE parent is a candycane, that doesn't make amel babies candycanes. The other parent contributes a lot to the color of the offspring, too. You'd PROBABLY be misleadding a potential buyer if you called that baby a candycane.

KJ

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

I will make sure my mother reads your posts, thanks

 

[jaxom1957]

I assume candycane but to be honest... I dont know lol

If the latest hatchling is amel, your anery is het amel. If this latest hatchling is a snow, your anery is het amel AND your amel is het anery.

To have produced ultramel babies, your anery would have to be an anery ultramel. It could not have produced either an amel or a snow without being het amel, and it could not have produced ultramel if it were not het ultra. I do not know if anery masks ultramel. Anyone?

If the remaining hatchlings are not ultramel, they are probably hypo. In that case, both your amel and your anery must be het hypo.

At a minimum, you now know that your anery is het amel. It must also be either het hypo or het ultra. Your amel is either het hypo, het anery or both.

 

[KJUN]

I do not know if anery masks ultramel. Anyone?

It doesn't. Soderberg has been producing ultramel anerA corns, and theylook like a light - to dark ghost. The seem real variable. I produced 1.2 ultramel anerA motley corns this year, and the male was SUPER light and the females were a little darker than the male. I don't know if Don's color differences are sex-related or not. I know ghost corns are sexually dimorphic in color, so it won't surprise me if "ultramelaners" are, too. Still, 1.2 is NOT enough for me to even hazard a guess.

Anyway, all that babbling was just off topic. AnerA does NOT mask Ultramel. I "suspect" that "ultra hypo" isn't masked by anerA, either. Anyone know THIS for sure?

KJ

 

[jaxom1957]

It doesn't. Soderberg has been producing ultramel anerA corns, and theylook like a light - to dark ghost.

Looking at Don's photographs, I think it is possible for an anery ultramel to be sold as a light anery, just as it is possible for a dark ghost to be sold as an anery.

As best I can deduce, one of two things is going on:

The anery is actually an anery ultramel. Bred to an amel, that combination would produce (visually) ultramels and amels. That describes the two categories of offspring seen so far.

- OR -

The anery is het amel and het hypo (possibly homo hypo making it a ghost?), and the amel is het hypo. Bred together, they would produce (phenotypically) hypos, amels, hypo amels, and normals. I don't have any pictures detailed enough to see if any of the oddly colored hatchlings are lighter than the other oddly colored hatchlings, but hypo, amel and hypo amel could also describe what has hatched to date.

 

[tbtusk]

Cat Eyes Lady, have you posted a picture of the supposed anery? I'd love to see a picture of him (it's the male, right?) and the female amel for that matter. if they've been posted on the forums then please tell me where becasue i'd love to see them for my self, even if the anery has been confirmed to be an anery.

Interesting clutch you have. I am glancing back and forth between my ultramels and the screen, lol. I'd love to know what they are for sure, but I guess we can't know for a few years, until breeding trials are possible. Once the last few hatch maybe we can get an idea of what the chances are of any given outcome.

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

well, the anery (I am thinking dark ghost actually) is the female... the male is the candycane. Sorry, I thought I had but I will put them in now.

btw.... the last baby is turning orange so maybe a high white amel?