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For those of you who use plastic cages...

Nagah11979

corn junkie
I want to try out a plastic cage for my corns but I don't know which would be the best. Opinions are helpful!

What type of plastic cage do you use? Vision, BARRS, Boaphile? are there any other brands?

These are the factors that I am considering when getting a cage...

- Ease of cleaning

- Weight

- Cost

- If corns can escape

- ease of heating/controlling temp


Thanks!
 
Go for animal plastics. I don't have any personally, just ordered two racks from them, but I've been told their cages are A+ quality.

-cat
 
I use vision cages for my corns

easy to clean, lightweight, well-vented, screen for lamp, and I put a heat-pad underneath each one. I've been very pleased with them.

Animals plastics is also a great company, and I have also just ordered a couple of racks from them.

Skye
 
yep - its a really weird name - and doesn't come up on google.
Mark is the main man, and Ally is usually the one answering the phone.

Animal Plastic Inc.

I just ordered two of their sterilite racks,

Skye
 
Thanks, Skye!

Really, really nice....expensive stuff. I can see a lot of stuff I'd like to buy. =P
 
AP Racks

I just received my rack from them--it's great. :)
The heat cable is holding the temperatures perfectly with my thermostat, it insulates very well. It looks good.
Ok, let's get something straight, though--it's NOT light. It's lighter than comparable melamine, but it is not light. <g> It IS very sturdy--much sturdier than melamine. This is a rack that could clearly survive many moves without a scratch. I expect it will last me the rest of my life, it's that well built.

I'm extremely happy with it--assembling it and intalling the cable into the routered groove was a cinch. I'd definitely buy one of their regular cages.
 
For those concerned about the cost, if you have any carpentry skills at all, it is very easy to build your own cages for a fraction of the cost to purchase the premade units. I have built several racks and cages myself, after a bit of research, and I was able to create them to my own dimensions, needs, and specs. This is the biggest benefit! Depending on your individual circumstances, space available, etc. you can build them as small or as large as you want!

I don't have pics since I am at work, but I built two 44" x 25" racks which hold a total of 12 32Qt. sterilite/24 15 Qt. sterilite, or any combination of either. Total cost was probably around $175 (largest cost was the sterilite at Target, but trying to find a way around that $90). This included ordering 11" flexwatt online, dimmer switches, aluminum tape, and extension cords.

Not intending to take away business from rack companies, but other options are available to you! BTW, I have found my homemade racks/cages to be extremely sturdy using melamine, though heavy (solid!).
 
I just keep mine in contico type tanks. They are large plastic 'rubbermaid' type boxes and are very cheap.
 
Hmm I was looking at the Animal plastics site and they don't seem to have very large vent holes for stacked cages (T1 model) wouldn't it get too hot? Has anyone had problems with overheating?
 
Does anyone have any of the Animal Plastic's terrestrial cages or Vision cages? If so what size/model?

For all of the convenience of Rubbermaid and Sterilite containers gives you, they sure don't offer a darn bit of aesthetics. I'd actually like to SEE my snakes in a nice enclosure rather than feeling like I'm storing books or sweaters.

Of course I'll still use Sterilites for my small hatchling sized snakes. But once they get to a year old, I'd like to be able to see them develop in a nice enclosure.

I'm curious about stacking them as they just seem to sit right on top of the other and obviously negate the whole point of ventilation with their screened top. The only thing they seem to have going for them is the sturdiness of the container themselves.

Whereas with Vision cages I've seen where the top of the cage angles downward so it provides enough space for heat dispersion and proper ventilation.

If you have any thoughts or insights, feel free to share them.
 
Animal Plastics cages are the new standard, and I plan to soon redo my snake room exclusively with their cages and racks. To address the ventilation question, AP cages are vented in the back. The screened holes on top are just an extra option.

Visons suffer from a few fatal flaws, IMO. The first is the ledge above the door on some (all?) of their enclosures. This isn't too big of a deal with corns, as the worst that will happen is you'll panic when you can't find your snake. For my use, however, this design flaw is completely unacceptable.

The light shroud in Visions is another poorly designed concept for those of us who stack cages. If a light burns out in the bottom cage, the entire stack needs to be unstacked just to change the one bulb.

For corns and the smaller cages, this wouldn't be an issue, but a common complaint with the larger Visions is that they tend to bow when stacked. This makes sliding the door open or shut all but impossible. Sometimes they'll sag under only just their own weight.

Visions also do a very poor job of retaining heat, and forget about maintaining humidity...you'll be misting often.

Also, if you get a Vision, you may want to invest in a putty knife to scrape urates off the plastic. It's been my experience that urates stick tenaciously to both Vision and Neodesha cages. AP, Boaphile, etc, don't have this problem.

In short, I like the look of Visions, but that's about the extent of it. For me, they lack some of the functionality that I'd expect when paying top dollar for an enclosure. For merely looking at, Visions are nice. For actually housing anything, an aquarium with a screen top is cheaper and more functional.

All in all, I'd choose AP over Vision any day of the week. Vision has a place in history as being one of the first large cages on the market, but the design is severely lacking.
 
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Taceas said:
Does anyone have any of the Animal Plastic's terrestrial cages or Vision cages? If so what size/model?

I'm curious about stacking them as they just seem to sit right on top of the other and obviously negate the whole point of ventilation with their screened top.
If you have any thoughts or insights, feel free to share them.

AP are very sturdy(heavy) and well designed. Piece of cake to put together. Purchased the T10 (4'x2') because they had a killer deal going at the time and all my adults will be housed in 4'x1.5-2' enclosures. Ventilation seems minimal without the screen top - 6 slits on the back. Wish I would have ordered the screen top but the cages are so sturdy you could easily drill more ventilation holes or even cut a section out and add screening.
Simple solution for stacked cage ventilation problem with screen top or UTH heat dispersion: Use spacers, Skye has a great looking setup Skye's herp room - hope you don't mind the link :) The 1/2" plastic may be too thick for flexwatt to work, ordered mine with the routered heat cable.
Lastly - their customer support is great. I ordered at a bad time and their responses were always friendly and usually prompt. They made right on a production delay.
 
Thanks for the great replies, guys. I really appreciate it and have a few questions for you about the AP cages. I really don't like their website. Sure they show lots of pictures, but not in actual use with lights and other features.

I'm definately interested in the Animal Plastics cages. However the price is really holding me back at this point. I don't want to cram my adults into the small cages, so a T3 to T10 would probably work for me.

They seem extremely well made and sturdy. Which is good for me as I have 3 cats. They're not normally interested in the snakes mainly for the fact that they can't see them in the Rubbermaids and Sterilites, and I'm in that boat as well.

I can see ventilation might be a problem. The slits offered on the back don't seem to be adequate. But yet, look at how many holes we melt into our Rubbermaids, maybe it's really not all that big of a deal.

The screen top and/or the circular vented top intrigues me. How do they stack, flush with one another, or is there any sort of gap between the cages to allow those cages perfect utilization of the vents? It just seems redundant to me to get a vent or screened top if it's going to be completely cut off from air flow.

They seem to offer both a sliding door and a swinging door system. Which do you all have and how are they for convenience? I would probably choose the swinging doors because they seem a little bit more secure, plus you don't have the track that would get filled with litter.

How do you all light your AP cages? Do you use the incandescent heat shroud? I see they offer a flourescent feature but I don't commonly use flourescents with my snakes. At the moment I don't need any heat source as the room stays pretty warm. But here in a month or so when we move to our new house my snakes room is going to be in the basement. And I'm sure down there I'll need some sort of heat source. And considering the dark nature of the cages, I'd still like to have some sort of light in with the snakes. Maybe you all have some interesting ways on how to do that.

Or do you just use their belly heat system?

I see they come broke down for shipping and you assemble them yourself. How easy is it to do, and do you require any sealant along the edges (silicon) etc?

Please share any pictures you have of your AP cage in use. =)
 
I'd recommend going over to the Bob Clark forums and doing a quick search. There is a plethora of information about, and pics of, AP cages and racks there.
 
My 2 measly cents

I LOVE vision cages, the three foot models are great, but I keep slightly larger snakes in them than corns these days.

I have a dozen Barrs, and use them only for corns under two years. They are lightweight, but tough to clean corners, and sharp-edged.

Neodesha Plastics make (made) the best corn cages I've ever owned, but the company is "down" for now, but may come back.

I use rubbermaids for all of my big adults. I own a Boaphile "sideways blanket box rack," but my collection has outgrown it, so I leave calmer specimens in it. The boxes fit so tightly that the water can splash out of the bowl, so a hungry corn often "pours out" onto the floor by the time you get it opened.

Seriously, if you have a large number of animals, the big, clear plastics are your best bet. And availible at your local hardware store for a song. Tupperware, rubbermaid, and such all provide space, stackability, and ease of making racks. If you only have a few, I'd suggest Neodesha, if availible.
 
AP cages

The circular vent on top of the cage isn't intended for air flow--it's there so you can add an overhead heat lamp. :) It's not meant for stacked cages.

The AP cages will definitely hold the weight of a whole herd of cats, and keep them away from your snakes.
 
As posted earlier, my corns are all in visions - the 36 x 28 x 18 model. I have been very happy with that model in the main although Ken makes some excellent points. They really don't hold humidity. As you can see from the pic of my set-up, I have a gap in between each cage to allow air flow so there are no overheating issues with cages above, and also so I can slide my arm in to change that bulb when it burns out without having to move every cage. I have also heard that visions over 3 ft. hit the sagging problem and so I will only order them up to 3 ft. The ledge above the door is a pain, as the snakes always get up there, and I think that I have lost them, and then I stick my head in the cage to look for them, and they fall on the back of my neck. Also there is a rivet right in the center of that ledge and one poor male wore out some of his skin by going over it repeatedly during breeding season, so I have to tape up the ledge.

I am very happy with the racks I just got from AP. They aren't light, but they are very well-made, and great for juveniles. I like cages for adults though - I like to see them, and give them plenty of room to move.

I have just ordered 10 AP cages for my beardies. They have a good product and good customer service. As Wolf says - the circle and the rectangular screen options are for people who don't want to stack the cages directly on top of each other. They are a way of placing incandescent and fluorescent lighting above the cage. If you want to go for UTH - go for the belly heat option. If you are unhappy about their minimum venting - ask for them to cut some more vents in the back. They are happy to tailor things to what you want. They will also fix incandescent and fluorescent fixtures inside the cage for those that want the direct stacking option, although you do have to pay extra for that.

The racks I got from AP were easy to put together (although it would have been even easier with two people), and I imagine the cages won't be different. I am going for sliding glass doors, but then I have dragon claws to contend with.

sumguy - how much did you pay for your T10?

Skye
 
T10 with heat cable and heat shroud was $232+s/h. It was on sale and there were some discounted production delays (almost 2 months). They've been having material problems so I would try to get a lock on when your order will be ready. The Bob Clark forums have tons of information plus they regularly respond to posts there. The 4'x2'x18" T10 was super easy to assemble alone, it will stand on its side most of the process and took 20 minutes max. I ordered right when they were changing designs and sliding glass wasn't an option.
 
Well I sent them an e-mail inquiring about ordering a single T3 with possibly adding the heat shroud to it, with the swing open doors. I figured my snakes would rub their noses raw in the gap between the panes in an attempt to escape. The T3 dimensions are pretty close to the Sterilite dimensions I've got my adults in now, and I'm sure they'd look a hell of a lot better. =P

I agree with you Skye, I prefer rubbermaids for my juvenile snakes as it makes the most sense, and I want cages I can see and display my adults in. I'll probably invest in one of their racks for my juvies at some point. But my problem now is, I don't own any of the rubbermaids or sterilite boxes that their racks use. So I'd have to get them from them or drive around from store to store searching for them.

I think the belly heat option would be nice, but I am an idiot when it comes to thermostats and rheostats..I've never had one nor do I know how to work them or even which one to get. Plus, I'd like a light in there to actually see my snakes with, plus any cage heating I do now is with an incandescent hood fixture.

They need to offer a sale or something so I can buy 4 for my adults, instead of one at a time. =P
 
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