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frozen to live
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diamondlil
Mice! They taste so nice!
Most people would prefer their corns to take f/t pinks, is there any particular reason you want to feed live?
EmJagsz
cornscornscorns
I guess it really all depends on your snake's preference....My baby corn has had f/t pinkies her whole life up until the last time I fed her....I had to resort to live pinkies because there were no frozen pinkies at the store I went to, so I thought, "hey, I'll give it a shot..and if she doesn't eat them live, I'll just toss them in the freezer." Though lo and behold, she ate those live pinkies right up....Now to see if she will accept f/t again..
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
Mark, most responsible and educated keepers feed frozen/thawed.
Live mice can injure a snake.
Live mice can transfer parasites to the snake.
If your snake is happy with frozen/thawed, it is better for your snake to keep feeding frozen/thawed.
In nature, very few hatchlings live til their first birthday, most are eaten by predators, or die of starvation. Many get hit by cars.
We do what's BEST for our pets, and in many cases, that means throwing "natural" out the window. It isn't natural to be in captivity in the first place!
If you truly enjoy watching one animal kill another, there is something wrong with you. Mice can feel pain and fear like any other animal, and if you get off on that, you have a real problem.
Live mice can injure a snake.
Live mice can transfer parasites to the snake.
If your snake is happy with frozen/thawed, it is better for your snake to keep feeding frozen/thawed.
In nature, very few hatchlings live til their first birthday, most are eaten by predators, or die of starvation. Many get hit by cars.
We do what's BEST for our pets, and in many cases, that means throwing "natural" out the window. It isn't natural to be in captivity in the first place!
If you truly enjoy watching one animal kill another, there is something wrong with you. Mice can feel pain and fear like any other animal, and if you get off on that, you have a real problem.
diamondlil
Mice! They taste so nice!
Still puzzled as to why you want to feed live prey really. If your motivation is 'it's more natural', then it could be argued that so is exposure to starvation, predation, competition. To make the 'hunting' more natural I suppose you could have a room-sized viv with plenty of hiding/escaping areas for the potential prey? If you already have experience of feeding larger, adult mice to snakes, are you not worried that the mouse could one day injure your snake in defense? Could you not also worry that 'enjoying' seeing live prey taken may be a bit of an odd admission to make, perhaps opening yourself to allegations of cruelty for entertainment's sake?
I have 1 corn that is a live, stunned prey only feeder, and I'm trying to convert him to f/k and on to f/t because I don't think feeding live is fun, just a necessity to keep this particular snake alive.
I have 1 corn that is a live, stunned prey only feeder, and I'm trying to convert him to f/k and on to f/t because I don't think feeding live is fun, just a necessity to keep this particular snake alive.
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
It's JUST as interesting to watch a snake eat thawed. Without watching an animal suffer and die, or risk injury to a snake.
Some snakes are a little........different.
Not different as in-pledging to lead a vegatarian lifestyle, but different, as in-not caring what they are supposed to do in the wild but just eat what the giand hand brings them. Kinda like manna from heaven.
Some of my snakes have gotten to the point where they aren't the efficient killers that everyone is afraid of, but for instance, a 4 year old snake not able to kill it's own food even if that food is provided in the form of a baby rat-not really old enough to fight back. It still just eats it alive without any thought as to maybe it should at least restrain it first.
Not saying it's feeding response is bad, I bet it's never refused food, ever.
I think it just knows I'll always provide.
SO I ususally bring them little tv dinner trays. j/k
I think it's just as interesting watching a snake so domesticated that it doesn't strike at food- it just looks at the offered food, carefully finds the head, and starts swallowing the rodent without any sort of effort expended toward checking if it's really dead. While I'm patiently dangling it from a pair of tongs.
Not different as in-pledging to lead a vegatarian lifestyle, but different, as in-not caring what they are supposed to do in the wild but just eat what the giand hand brings them. Kinda like manna from heaven.
Some of my snakes have gotten to the point where they aren't the efficient killers that everyone is afraid of, but for instance, a 4 year old snake not able to kill it's own food even if that food is provided in the form of a baby rat-not really old enough to fight back. It still just eats it alive without any thought as to maybe it should at least restrain it first.
Not saying it's feeding response is bad, I bet it's never refused food, ever.
I think it just knows I'll always provide.
SO I ususally bring them little tv dinner trays. j/k
I think it's just as interesting watching a snake so domesticated that it doesn't strike at food- it just looks at the offered food, carefully finds the head, and starts swallowing the rodent without any sort of effort expended toward checking if it's really dead. While I'm patiently dangling it from a pair of tongs.
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
I have no tolerance for UNECCESSARY cruelty to any living thing.
And feeding live for no reason is uneccessary cruelty.
Tell me this.....
Do you expect your pet dog or cat to kill it's own food?
And if you feed your other pets pre-killed food, why is your snake different? Especially when it will happily eat thawed food?
And feeding live for no reason is uneccessary cruelty.
Tell me this.....
Do you expect your pet dog or cat to kill it's own food?
And if you feed your other pets pre-killed food, why is your snake different? Especially when it will happily eat thawed food?
snakewispera snr
The Devils Advocate
Or is Mark flicking our switches.......?
reyshells
Normals FTW
I fed my first corn snake live mice his entire life. He was never attacked and never refused a meal. It's not a problem, you can switch to live. However, he became more a snappy snake after feeding. He's also mistaken my finger for a live mouse. Ouch.
On the other hand, my friend feeds her current adult corn snake live mice and she seems very happy. She is a very friendly snake. But....sometimes the mice my friend gets at the pet shop are not big enough. Buying frozen mice always ensures a set size, even when the store is out of large live mice. Just throwing that out there.
I feed my current hatchling frozen pinkies and he never refuses. I'm undecided on whether or not I want to switch to live, but I may try out a live pinkie today and see what happens.
Oh, and one more thing to add. I understand your feelings on watching snakes eat live mice. I am a zoology major and it fascinates me. But I do feel bad for the poor mice. It's the hardest part of owning a snake.
On the other hand, my friend feeds her current adult corn snake live mice and she seems very happy. She is a very friendly snake. But....sometimes the mice my friend gets at the pet shop are not big enough. Buying frozen mice always ensures a set size, even when the store is out of large live mice. Just throwing that out there.
I feed my current hatchling frozen pinkies and he never refuses. I'm undecided on whether or not I want to switch to live, but I may try out a live pinkie today and see what happens.
Oh, and one more thing to add. I understand your feelings on watching snakes eat live mice. I am a zoology major and it fascinates me. But I do feel bad for the poor mice. It's the hardest part of owning a snake.
The first few times this question was posed when I came here, i offered a carefully thought out properly worded essay on the positives and negatives of feeding live.
I really should just find it, copy it to my clipboard, and paste it on any relevant thread to avoid typing it over and over.
Suffice it to say that feeding frozen thawed is the most preferred solution here, and this is an enlightened bunch of people who have lots of pets-and want to give them what's best for them.
There are benefits to feeding live, but they are few, and you're prolly not reaping any of the advantages.
The benefits of frozen thawed far outweigh the disadvantages, and this isn't taking into account the suffering factor.
I really should just find it, copy it to my clipboard, and paste it on any relevant thread to avoid typing it over and over.
Suffice it to say that feeding frozen thawed is the most preferred solution here, and this is an enlightened bunch of people who have lots of pets-and want to give them what's best for them.
There are benefits to feeding live, but they are few, and you're prolly not reaping any of the advantages.
The benefits of frozen thawed far outweigh the disadvantages, and this isn't taking into account the suffering factor.
LBoz
Original Curmudgeon
I know I've seen some photos floating around there that show exactly what a live mouse can do to a snake. Anyone happen to know how to pull these up? It's definitely not pretty. Pinkies are one thing, but as you go on to larger mice, you're risking not only the parasites and mites as mentioned, but they can do real damage with their bite.
Susielea
Lily
These might be a couple of the pics you're thinking of Lori (pics borrowed from Tricksterpup, hope he doesn't mind
)So much for feeders not attacking snakes, eh?
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Lennycorn
Just see the truth
HELLO!!!!!!!!!!
Come on Diamondlil!!
Don't you know that it's cool to show your friends how you feed your snake.