Well, my okeetee, after refusing everything anyone here an anywhere else has told, me decided to refuse ANOTHER pinkie. SO I got even more frustrated, an went in my yard and caught a 3" ground skink , ( i live in louisiana, a ground skink is a little brown skink, with a very slick skin ( not slimy though) ) Well I, killed the skink, then head first forced the skink up to his tail ( the last inch ) and let he an the snake go, the snake stayed motionless for 30 seconds, then finished the skink. I was happy, but mad he wouldnt eat on his own. These skinks are absolutely excellent for forcefeeding, i've never had a baby regurg one. They slide down the throat easily, dont require any tools to open the babys mouth ( like a probe ) . You just stick the point of the nose in the baby's mouth and BAM, skowly and gently push it down, it goes down SOOOOOO easy, unlike a pinkie being shuved down very forcefully. I can catch dozens of these little things in 10 minuites, tehy really are great, much more nutricious that rat tails, and this is what wild babys eat anyway in La, I doubt the find red hot ( baby baby ) pinks very often. thanks for reading. ANY SUGGESTIONS?