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Got few eggs the last week or so!
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Jereme
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Dragonling
Doesn't do "casual"
The rest of this hatchling season is going to be torture. I just can't buy any more, but everyone has amazing things I want. Argh!
Still really stoked about those possibly SK tessera motleys. I've been wanting to see that in a stripe to see what tessera would do, considering the strong sunspots of SK stripe. Lavender and either diffused or masque (maybe both combined?) seem to affect the dorsal stripe of tessera, breaking it up quite a lot. How much more can we distort the pattern of tessera, I wonder?
Still really stoked about those possibly SK tessera motleys. I've been wanting to see that in a stripe to see what tessera would do, considering the strong sunspots of SK stripe. Lavender and either diffused or masque (maybe both combined?) seem to affect the dorsal stripe of tessera, breaking it up quite a lot. How much more can we distort the pattern of tessera, I wonder?
Jereme
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I am hoping to get some more tessera sk combos should be hatching any day!
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Well all non lavenders came out health and fat. All the lavenders died before or shortly after piping. The part I am confused about is how the females were breed last year and didn't have this problem. This is his first and I tested him to a female that did not carry lavender and 21 of 22 eggs hatched. Crazy
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axis1
Fuhgeddaboudit!!!!
kinked stargazer
I'm not as informed about the genetics of corns as I'd like to be (the most recent corn morph guide having been revised in 2012 sits with a shortcut on my desktop untouched as it usually doesn't make the Top Ten in a list of priorities on a daily basis).
Having said that, I'm curious, is it a crapshoot when selecting pairs to breed with certain specific traits or do breeders intentionally tinker with a corn's DNA with the knowledge that it can result in a kinked, stargazing hatchling who is destined not to touch any food until it wastes away?
(BTW, please don't get your underwear in a knot as I'm just asking an innocent question and not trying to start any s**t!) I LOVE the way scaleless corns look and would like to get one in the future, but I'm curious as to the process which gets an animal which has evolved for millions of years WITH scales to result in them hatching WITHOUT them.
I'm not as informed about the genetics of corns as I'd like to be (the most recent corn morph guide having been revised in 2012 sits with a shortcut on my desktop untouched as it usually doesn't make the Top Ten in a list of priorities on a daily basis).
Having said that, I'm curious, is it a crapshoot when selecting pairs to breed with certain specific traits or do breeders intentionally tinker with a corn's DNA with the knowledge that it can result in a kinked, stargazing hatchling who is destined not to touch any food until it wastes away?
(BTW, please don't get your underwear in a knot as I'm just asking an innocent question and not trying to start any s**t!) I LOVE the way scaleless corns look and would like to get one in the future, but I'm curious as to the process which gets an animal which has evolved for millions of years WITH scales to result in them hatching WITHOUT them.
Jereme
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I'm not as informed about the genetics of corns as I'd like to be (the most recent corn morph guide having been revised in 2012 sits with a shortcut on my desktop untouched as it usually doesn't make the Top Ten in a list of priorities on a daily basis).
Having said that, I'm curious, is it a crapshoot when selecting pairs to breed with certain specific traits or do breeders intentionally tinker with a corn's DNA with the knowledge that it can result in a kinked, stargazing hatchling who is destined not to touch any food until it wastes away?
(BTW, please don't get your underwear in a knot as I'm just asking an innocent question and not trying to start any s**t!) I LOVE the way scaleless corns look and would like to get one in the future, but I'm curious as to the process which gets an animal which has evolved for millions of years WITH scales to result in them hatching WITHOUT them.
I take no offense to what you have asked. Your questions are valid and I will do my best to address each one.
As for scaleless there have been many specimens found in the wild both adult and young. So scaleless is a natural occurring change, we did nothing more then discover. In corns it is said to be a random occurrence that happen when a breeder was trying to make root beers, which comes from breeding an Emory rat to a corn snake. Which I will add at one point was seen to be the same species and still is in some parts.
As for star gazer, star gazer is a receive gene that was discover in the same group of corns as sunkissed but are not linked in any way. The reason it pops up is before it was realized that the it was receive and carry by a number of said group they had been sold and breed by other breeders so star gazer was able to spread and not directly show any out word sign. Now many breeders test their lines for the existence of star gazer and in most cases the off spring and adult are either used for further testing or put down. And star gazer will eat on their own so not a case of any one keeping them alive.
As for kinks there is no evidence that kinks are genetic in any way. It is widely believed that it is environmental, meaning the egg got to not or cold during incubation cause the embryo to tighten up or what ever it does. There is some evidence that lavenders are more susceptible to kinking, but why that is, is still unknown.
When we breed to make our animals have a different look both in color or shape it is not just simply the color or shape that changes other things many times unknown things come with it. I will use the merl color in dogs as an example. Many people love the random almost bleaching affect that this gene gives the coat, but what most people do not know is the problems that come with breeding it. The Merle gene removes an enzymes from an individual cell and it occurs in each animal randomly. So you can have it occur in say just a toe on the right back foot that goes completely unnoticed or it can cover 90% of the dog and even make its eyes blue. Now if the two above examples are breed together with the breeder believing that the toe dog is not a carrier, the offspring could get a bounce dose of Merle witch can result in the puppies eyes not developing or there inner ear. So you can see from my example it is not the breeders intention to create these problems, but it happens. In the case of receive or environmental it is easy to miss and unintentionally cause the problem. Please feel free to ask more questions.
axis1
Fuhgeddaboudit!!!!
Wow! Thanx for the detail-oriented response to my inquiry Jereme! That was extremely awesome of you! And greatly appreciated!! If you have seen many of my posts here, you may not have been so generous, as I have a tendency to ramble descriptively and otherwise. Not totally my fault, just a side-effect to having multiple head injuries, I guess.
But back to the topic (I am also notorious for being unable to focus! Now if I could just remember where my Ritalin is . . .
. . ), but I have heard that incubation in extreme temps just inside the boundaries necessary NOT to kill an egg will also result in variances in behavior, possibly leading to abnormal traits. For example, I had a California Kingsnake from hell (Olivia) who was just mean and nasty, but she was sooooo gorgeous!! (Actually reminds me of a few PEOPLE I KNOW!!!) However, being a New Yorker, I believe in half of what I see and nothing of what I hear and so I took her on anyway. She was a handful! Constantly snapping and striking and for no apparent reason. I never believed people when they told me their snakes bit them for no reason and am still a sceptic when I hear such reports, but Olivia would've made a believer out of anyone. You would SWEAR there was a rattlesnake in the cage when just TOUCHING the screen to get access to change her water! Something was wrong with the poor baby and it's only through patience and a lot of hard work that I was able to keep her for a couple of years, but a hectic schedule following 9/11 resulted in my having to give her to someone I was reasonably sure would be able to take care of her, and thankfully, she had a relatively decent life (albeit without being handled too much!) until 2008, when she passed (her exact age was unknown, but she was a minimum of 16 since I got her in 1992 with very little info from a now defunct pet store). She was already adult sized when I got her, but herp-lovers who knew her have commented to me that the lack of a recorded or even a verbal history was a sign that something was wrong in the first place. In retrospect, they might be right, as I often have made decisions to acquire animals based upon their striking appearances and sometimes despite some behavioral warnings. Is it possible her eggs were incubated in temps too high?In any case, thanx again for the informative response!!! :crazy02: