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Hard lump in the belly?

Pasodama said:
What kind of testing gear is this? Is it for a cloacal/stool sample, or a different sample (such as a regurge), that you, then, send back to the vet for testing?

Just remember that, if this test turns up negative, you still need to test at least two more times (not immediately "back to back" and not using the same sample, for each test, of course).

I am praying for a good outcome, for you, and really hope to hear some good news.
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Not sure about the gear, the vet said he would need either regurged food, a "fresh" stool sample or a sample of the snakes stomach-content.

I too see that I will need to run multiple tests. The vet said what we all have talked about here: That Crypto is considered incurable and deadly, for some snakes. He continued talking about how shifty the symptoms are, that some snakes die within a month and some can live several years as carirers.

However he also said that there are some experimental treatments, but of course there's no cure yet. I told the vet that I gladly donate my sick snakes for experimenting.

BTW
I read that Crypto is very common among leopardgeckos, but the crypto that leopardgeckos get seem to be curable, Tremper has written an article about it. Maybe keepers of both corns and leopards should beware? Any info or comment on this thought would be welcome.

Last of all I'd like to say that I think it's incredible that "CornFreaks" can help eachother out, worldwide!
Thanks again!
 
There may be different strains.

People get AIDS. Cat get AIDS, but its not the same AIDS nor can it be transfered.
 
If the crypto your talking about in leopards can be cured this is news to me. I know more than a handful of people who have dealt with this in the lizard world and the only cure I know of is the freezer not to be mean. However, I am so dumb I thought the crypto in snakes was the same too so you may be absolutely right. I am not aware of any lizard that can live months with crypto so when someone here said that I had to look it up and saw they are two different strains and crypto itself has many many mutated strains some more common in other species, but leopards are very susceptible.
 
Kim_Hansson said:
Not sure about the gear, the vet said he would need either regurged food, a "fresh" stool sample or a sample of the snakes stomach-content.
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Ah, good deal.
Regurged food, or stomach content (taken no later than three days after being fed), would yield better/easier diagnostic results than would a stool sample. Not saying that a stool sample should not be used ... just mentioning what may be better.:)

Kim_Hansson said:
However he also said that there are some experimental treatments, but of course there's no cure yet. I told the vet that I gladly donate my sick snakes for experimenting.
BTW
I read that Crypto is very common among leopardgeckos,
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Yes, Crypto affects Geckos as well and ... I can see where it may be, or could be, fairly prevalent (due to their, commonly, being kept in groups).

Actually, most all living creatures can become infected with (or carry) Crypto. It is just that different types, of Crypto, affect different animals, reptiles, etc.,.. and humans.
There are multiple types of Cryptosporidium. Any non host specific Crypto just passes through the gastrointestinal tract without any ill affects to the animal/reptile that ingests, or inhales, it. It is only when the type of Crypto is host specific that infection occurs and problems develop.

The two primary types, which infect/affect snakes & lizards, are Cryptosporidium serpentis (snakes) and Cryptosporidium saurophilum (lizards).
C. serpentis is the primary form, of Crypto, that infects snakes ... but it can, also, infect lizards. So, lizards can become infected with either C. saurophilum, or C. serpentis, or both (though it is, commonly, C. saurophilum).
It seems that (though it is, commonly, C. serpentis) snakes can, also, become infected with C. saurophilum ... but on a much lesser scale. IOW It appears to be extremely limited (or more difficult) for snakes to become infected with C. saurophilum than it is for lizards to become infected with C. serpentis.

I have heard of experimental treatments but its efficacy appears to be somewhat limited in that they have not served in eliminating Crypto, from the system, altogether (does not cure).
So far, any successful treatments have only reduced symptoms &/or reduced, or prevented, the shedding of oocysts (which could, possibly, resume at a later time).
From what I understand, even those snakes/reptiles, that are treated, should remain in a quarantine type situation until further study/research.

I would love to hear of any experimental treatments that are even better, or in more advanced stages, than what has been done/found so far. Better yet ... I hope a cure can be found... soon.

Kim_Hansson said:
but the crypto that leopardgeckos get seem to be curable, Tremper has written an article about it.
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I don't know of a cure for Geckos.
Not sure of what Ron Tremper is doing treatment wise (or cure? wise).
Just may have to look up Tremper's article ... &/or any news on what he is doing or has done. It could be interesting to find out.
 
What I have found, re. Tremper & Crypto treatment/cure, is that Tremper does not have a cure. What has been described is a management treatment, via the use of the drug Humatin (aka Paromomycin), which helps with eliminating/reducing symptoms and can even allow Crypto affected Geckos to gain weight. However, this does not cure Geckos, nor does it seem to eliminate the shedding of oocysts (IOW these Geckos can still spread Crypto).
 
Pasodama said:
What I have found, re. Tremper & Crypto treatment/cure, is that Tremper does not have a cure. What has been described is a management treatment, via the use of the drug Humatin (aka Paromomycin), which helps with eliminating/reducing symptoms and can even allow Crypto affected Geckos to gain weight. However, this does not cure Geckos, nor does it seem to eliminate the shedding of oocysts (IOW these Geckos can still spread Crypto).
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Oops! Bad choise of words on my behalf. I didn't mean cure. The article by Tremper that I spoke of is the same as you're referring to. And your right, it's a treatment plan and not a cure.

My bad.
 
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