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Heat Pad question

Ok, if it must be so.
patm1313, you dont have to do jack poo, just keep your mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about. As for cheap the last one I got was $27.00 and the last reptile hear pad I got was $17.00:shrugs:
Although the newer ones are cooler (???) they can still burn a human yes I am an OOOLLLD person and I use one on my back and it can get very hot on my skin. MY grand-daughter used a new one on her stomach (for cramops) fell asleep and had a couple burn blisters.

This isn't meant to be a compliment (though you can take it as one :)), but you aren't old. You're only as old as you think you are.

Clean and apply some neosporin to the affected area, Remove old bedding and use clean cotton sheets until blisters are healed.
It might be a good idea to use a new reptile heating pad like this one.
http://www.zoomed.com/db/products/En...D=2&SearchID=1
Because I read somewhere that they are cooler and are better suited for young farts.

Enjoy you day.:)

Ahhh!!! Horrible misquote. I did not say that! I'm way to young to have a grand-daughter. Uh, I think the grand-daughter was human, so unless she is kept in a cage with substrate, I doubt your methods would be necessary. This definetley made me LOL.
 
Some findings about the heat pad I used:
1. It kept the tank at an acceptable temp for my corn.
2. Was cool enough that I could lift the plastic tank up and immediatley place my hand on it and was able to keep it there without any pain, which would certainley not be hot enough to melt anything.

Nobody here is questioning the safety. If you don't believe it is a fire hazard, call the factory and ask about leaving it on 24/7 for a year. I personally believe the risk is small, but this doesn't matter.

We are saying it is TOO HOT. You've managed to avoid saying what the temps are over and over again....and again...and again. You are saying it is NOT too hot, but you apparently have never checked it. What do you mean that you can't run the test? If you can't afford a $20 non-contact or $15 max-min thermometer, you shouldn't be talking about buying more snakes or building a rack! You need at least one of those items to take care of that animal properly.

I call B.S. on you about it not being hot enough to hurt. What the heck does that mean? Of course you can hold you hand on it. I can hold my hand on my 95F hotspot in my boa cages "indefinitely" without burning myself. If I sat a cornsnake on it for too long, I would be the sole cause of death for that snake.

Soooo, stop avoiding the issue. You say the heating pad is not too hot for the snake. Forget safety - it is irrelevant. I believe it is. I've tested it. When I've done it, cage temps were ~92-93F on low for the "cheap" ones from Wal-Mart. That was under substrate, and the temps varied if it was under a glass, plastic, whatever. TOO HOT. You say that isn't true now, but you list NOTHING to say you have even tested it!!!! Admit it: you have done NO actual tests to verify the temps, and you are risking your snake's life because of it. Shame on you.

Put up the data or shut up about it. I'm tired of reading your DANGEROUS advice that you make up on the spot. Give some data to prove the NEW heating pads are cooler than the old ones (so cold that they wouldn't be heating pads at all to a normal human!) or shut up. Stop saying "It's cooler because I said so!" You sound like a know-it-all kid.....oh, wait. Never mind.

I'm sorry that I've finally gotten upset enough to sound rude. I shouldn't, but your advice is dangerous. You don't even seem to be able to comprehend that you don't have a clue what you are talking about, and when someone gives you the opportunity to prove your knowledge you crawfish worse than a New Orleans politician, avoid answering the question, and DARE to fuss at me for asking for your evidence!

Admit you have no clue and stop driving everyone else crazy. Here is a thought: everyone with experience keeps telling you to hush up because you are babbling nonsense. Maybe it's you and not everyone else, eh?
 
Well for the sheer hell of it and because I knew you were wrong patm1313, I just spent the last 10-15 minutes doing a couple of tests, so

Test one; press a thermometer against your skin...well I used my palm because that's what you said you used when you checked the temp on the human heat pad

Result using digital thermometer with probe 94.8*F
Result using digital human thermometer 95*F
Result using clinical mercury thermometer 95.2*F

Test two; Measure the temperature emmitted by a human heat pad on low after 3 minutes

Result using digital thermometer with probe 108*F
Result using digtal human thermometer, off the scale it will only measure up to 107.5*F
Result using human clinical thermometer, off the scale it will only read up to 107*F

So I think that says it all.
 
What about Flexwatt?

http://www.arbreptiles.com/cages/flexwire.shtml

if so where would I place it ? any picture examples.



I am starting a rank system slowly not that I can't afford a full size tank.
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Holes have been drilled already.




What about a 24watt one? I am just afraid of this pad melting the plastic.

Hey, I've got the smaller version of this container for my snake. I think they're great.

I purchased a T-Rex Cobra UTH for mine, and it's 7 watts, 6"x11". The packaging said it was appropriate for 10-20 gallon terrariums, so I'd say 8 watts would be fine for something the size of the 1886's. I think flexwatt would probably be more cost effective than buying a lot of heat mats, and safer(no big things of power bars as the plugs add up).
 
>Nobody here is questioning the safety. If you don't believe it is a fire hazard, call the factory and ask about leaving it on 24/7 for a year. I personally believe the risk is small, but this doesn't matter.

Well good then, that's what I thought this was all about: Burning/melting the sterilite

>We are saying it is TOO HOT. You've managed to avoid saying what the temps are over and over again....and again...and again. You are saying it is NOT too hot, but you apparently have never checked it. What do you mean that you can't run the test? If you can't afford a $20 non-contact or $15 max-min thermometer, you shouldn't be talking about buying more snakes or building a rack! You need at least one of those items to take care of that animal properly.

Oh yes, maybe the fact that it's 9PM where I live, and the fact that I'm in no mood to go out and buy a thermometer, maybe can lead you to think that I cant run the tests at the instant. Who said anything about affording things, yah I can afford a thermometer.

>I call B.S. on you about it not being hot enough to hurt. What the heck does that mean? Of course you can hold you hand on it. I can hold my hand on my 95F hotspot in my boa cages "indefinitely" without burning myself. If I sat a cornsnake on it for too long, I would be the sole cause of death for that snake.

My mistake on this one, I was talking about the fire risk, not the proper temperature.

Soooo, stop avoiding the issue. You say the heating pad is not too hot for the snake. Forget safety - it is irrelevant. I believe it is. I've tested it. When I've done it, cage temps were ~92-93F on low for the "cheap" ones from Wal-Mart. That was under substrate, and the temps varied if it was under a glass, plastic, whatever. TOO HOT. You say that isn't true now, but you list NOTHING to say you have even tested it!!!! Admit it: you have done NO actual tests to verify the temps, and you are risking your snake's life because of it. Shame on you.

I'm not risking my snake's life on anything. If I knew that the temps were too high, I would not have used the heating pad.

Put up the data or shut up about it. I'm tired of reading your DANGEROUS advice that you make up on the spot. Give some data to prove the NEW heating pads are cooler than the old ones (so cold that they wouldn't be heating pads at all to a normal human!) or shut up. Stop saying "It's cooler because I said so!" You sound like a know-it-all kid.....oh, wait. Never mind.

I'm not going to shut up about anything. I'm not saying it's cooler because I said so, it's cooler because I know so. I have the experience.

I'm sorry that I've finally gotten upset enough to sound rude. I shouldn't, but your advice is dangerous. You don't even seem to be able to comprehend that you don't have a clue what you are talking about, and when someone gives you the opportunity to prove your knowledge you crawfish worse than a New Orleans politician, avoid answering the question, and DARE to fuss at me for asking for your evidence!

I can comprehend that I have no clue, and when I stupidly post on a topic that I have no clue about, and someone alerts me of it, I accept it as my mistake. But here, I do have a clue. I don't avoid answering the question. I just am not going to go out, at 9PM, buy a $15 dollar thermometer, waste an hour of my life doing the tests, and then report back just because someone on the web wanted me to. Yes, I will DARE fuss at you. I put in a bit of advice, and somone (you) comes along and shoots me out of the sky for no reason whatsoever.

>Admit you have no clue and stop driving everyone else crazy. Here is a thought: everyone with experience keeps telling you to hush up because you are babbling nonsense. Maybe it's you and not everyone else, eh?

I have admitted so several times, ut now I wont do so, because I do have a clue. I'm not babbling nonsense, listening to you try to tell me that I'm wrong is, however.

I am officially done with this topic. I have given my solid advice, and have even humored you by arguing over it. I will not read this topic again.
 
Well don't worry Susie wasted her time for you.
While you spent up all that time typing, she proved you wrong. :shrugs:

Edit: also, you shouldn't have to go run out and get a digital thermometer.

You should HAVE one already.
No wonder you think the temps are fine.
 
Oh yes, maybe the fact that it's 9PM where I live, and the fact that I'm in no mood to go out and buy a thermometer, maybe can lead you to think that I cant run the tests at the instant. Who said anything about affording things, yah I can afford a thermometer.

Why do you have to go buy a thermometer? Use the one in your corns tank......Oh, I just thought, that means you haven't got a thermometer in your corns tank.....hmmm
 
Hey, I've got the smaller version of this container for my snake. I think they're great.

I purchased a T-Rex Cobra UTH for mine, and it's 7 watts, 6"x11". The packaging said it was appropriate for 10-20 gallon terrariums, so I'd say 8 watts would be fine for something the size of the 1886's. I think flexwatt would probably be more cost effective than buying a lot of heat mats, and safer(no big things of power bars as the plugs add up).


FINALLY, thank you for answering my questions. And not using this thread as a bickering session towards another member :blowup:
The rack is being built this week.
 
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I am officially done with this topic. I have given my solid advice, and have even humored you by arguing over it. I will not read this topic again.

Of course you won't because yet again we have proved you wrong.

Why do you have to go buy a thermometer? Use the one in your corns tank......Oh, I just thought, that means you haven't got a thermometer in your corns tank.....hmmm


Exactly that's what I used to test my heating pad, I should have waited longer then 30 seconds, but 100 degrees was bad enough for me.


I will not read this topic again Now if we could only change this quote by patm1313 to say will not comment on this forum until I really know what I'm talking about.
 
If I knew that the temps were too high, I would not have used the heating pad.

I didn't read the rest of your tripe. I skimmed it enough to realize I'd just get more an more angry reading your B.S. The above is what I was talking about. Thank you for admitting that you were recommending something that is potentially dangerous without testing it first.

If you continue that inappropriate behavior, you will continue to get called on it. I don't want you to prove me wrong - I wanted your data you collected BEFORE making a recommendation. You need to get your facts straight BEFORE pretending you know something - not after.....and you should get those max-min before thinking about even considering getting a new snake. The fact that you don't have one on hand already is a bigger sign of your ineptitude than your bad advice.
 
I just recently bought a plastic bin (Sterilite brand) with lockable sides. Nice size for my new corn that I am getting this coming week. I have everything BUT heating. Know I have a line on this heat pad for $10, link below
http://www.zoomed.com/db/products/EntryDetail.php?EntryID=113&DatabaseID=2&SearchID=1

Now has anyone used these under a plastic bin and had problems with melting or anything like that? I know it says no but I wanna know what experiences you members have had. Is it safer to use a heat lamp?

Would like input before I go and by this heat pad.

Thanks in advance


We used that exactone with our first corn and it had hot spots to 120*F.
All pads have hot spots though that is why a thermostat is ideal.
The Exo-Terra rainforrest heat pad SAYS it heats to like 90*F but ours has hot spots of 102*F. So buyer beware.
I do not know about the plastic use except that the Cobra heat mat we have for our Rankin has directions for use with plastics...To use a styrofoam barrier I believe but I ended up not using it and gave it to a friend so I do not have it any longer....
 
Well I found that when I used my zoomed on a plastic container, I had to set it higher then I would have for a glass tank.
I figured it was the same size tank etc etc that it would be calibrated the same. I didn't factor in the obvious that plastic conducts and holds heat quite differently then glass. Silly me.
 
FINALLY, thank you for answering my questions. And not using this thread as a bickering session towards another member :blowup:
The rack is being built this week.


You're welcome! Definitely take pictures? Possibly at different stages of construction? :)
 
Well I found that when I used my zoomed on a plastic container, I had to set it higher then I would have for a glass tank.
I figured it was the same size tank etc etc that it would be calibrated the same. I didn't factor in the obvious that plastic conducts and holds heat quite differently then glass. Silly me.

And what was your result?
 
And the Original poster may find this link very useful :)

How hot is too hot for plastics? see the link!

http://cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50684&highlight=melting+temperature+plastic

Hope that helps everyone


Great link.
Here's the catch. When I e-mailed exo-terra about the UTH temps being higher than claimed I also asked about use under plastic etc. They said the melting was not so much the concern that the plastic "traps the heat" vs glass. So maybe someone else knows what that means:shrugs: Does that mean the UTH gets twice as hot as the heat is not disbursed the same?
 
Ended up working just fine, it just took me a lot longer to set up the thermostat to where I wanted it is all.
I can't remember exactly what I set it for (of course it varies with every model anyway) but I don't have this set up anymore as I upgraded him to a bigger glass tank.
 
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