• Hello!

    Either you have not registered on this site yet, or you are registered but have not logged in. In either case, you will not be able to use the full functionality of this site until you have registered, and then logged in after your registration has been approved.

    Registration is FREE, so please register so you can participate instead of remaining a lurker....

    Please be certain that the location field is correctly filled out when you register. All registrations that appear to be bogus will be rejected. Which means that if your location field does NOT match the actual location of your registration IP address, then your registration will be rejected.

    Sorry about the strictness of this requirement, but it is necessary to block spammers and scammers at the door as much as possible.

Herald snake care sheet

Carinata

Ever Evolving Exotics
The herald snake or Black Templed Cat Snake. (Crotaphopeltis hotamboeia)
the black templed cat snake hails from Tanzania. It is a new snake to the U.S. snake trade, but is very common in South Africa. It reaches a maximum length of 3.5 feet but 3 foot for females and 2.5 foot for males is the norm. I have noted some aquatic and arboreal tendencies but it is more common for them to be terrestrial and less aquatic. They do indeed have rear fangs they are quite large to. They use them to subdue the prey they most commonly eat. This includes fish, frogs, toads, other reptiles, and occasionally mice. In captivity you can train them onto mice. My ’08 CB female is feeding well on pinkie parts scented on a Ornate horned frog. She is a bit aggressive. When angered they flatten their heads and make a hiss similar to that of what a bull snake makes when disturbed. Their venom has not been well studied but does have some side effects on humans. It causes headache, swelling, itching at the bite site, soreness, and nausea. I have been bitten only once and felt all of those symptoms but they all subsided in less than 24 hours. They are also called Savannah White lipped snakes, Red lipped snakes (color phases), White lipped snakes, rolilipslangs, Herald snakes, and Gorilla house snakes. They are egg laying snakes. If you want a CB the only breeder I know that does this is Glades Herp Farm. But many African importers often have WC adults or juveniles. I house mine in a 5.5 gallon glass cage with aspen bedding a large hide, a few fake plants and a shallow but large water dish. I put her in her deli cup when feeding. She is a CB ’08 and is about 7 inches and is active mostly at night. Their behavior is often a kin to that of a Mangrove snake but with a ground dwelling tendecy
Feeding: I feed mine scented and unscented pinkie mouse and fuzzie parts as an adult it will eat fuzzies
Caging: An active snake I house a 7in baby in a 5.5 gallon. But as an adult it will go in a 15 -20 gallon
Size: The size rage for this snake varys in the genders hotamboeia is a sexually dimorphic snake which means genders hgave a large noticable difference in size and color and other traits. In hotamboeia it is size. Not quite the difference seen in anacondas (eunectes) have a huge difference. Hotamboeia have a smaller difference. Males average 1.1-1.2 meter. Females .9-1 meter.
Lifespan: From what i have heard 10-15 years
Behavior: Aggresive by nature, very reluctant to bite, when disturbed flatten their head and hiss. Don’t usually latch on when the do bite. They arre also nocturnal by nature. Mine burrows in the aspen bedding or under the water dish
Captive requirements: Need a higher humidity than most colubrids 70% humidity is good. I keep mine at 85- 90 on the hot side on the cool side 78-80.
Breeding: Typical colubrid breeding forumula

016-1.jpg

015-2.jpg

023-1.jpg

087.jpg

021-2.jpg

017.jpg

DSCF6013.jpg
 
Okay, I am NOT saying this to be mean. Please consider this constructive criticism, and nothing else.
You've had that snake for all of, what, a month or two? How can you possibly know enough in that time to write a care sheet on these snakes without plagiarizing the material? If you really want to make a care sheet, at least study the animal for a couple of years. Your flip-flopping from feet to meters shows the possible plagiarism.

Again, you are using that "From what I have heard" phrase. You should study the animal you are attempting to write a care sheet on extensively before even considering an attempt. You should also study more than one, because as it has been mentioned on this forum many times, every animal is different.

I know this one is really going to sound like I'm ragging on you about the same thing over and over again, but PLEASE either get your keyboard fixed, or pay attention to what you're typing. No one is going to take your post seriously due to the lack of punctuation and excessive spelling errors. If need be, type out the entire post in a word processor that has spell check (I know you mentioned your computer doesn't have spell check, but word processors have it included).

Again, please think of this as only constructive criticism.
 
Thaks for the response none of this is plagerized I promise you that. I have spent a year reasearching this snake. I just got one 3 months ago. I have talked to experts via phone, email, and forum about the snake the flip floping is becauuse the top [art i previously wrote i attached it to the new care sheet. My computer is a crapper I have to download spell check and I was in a bit of a hurry. Sorry but ya gotta admit the snake is cute LOL
 
Thaks for the response none of this is plagerized I promise you that. I have spent a year reasearching this snake. I just got one 3 months ago. I have talked to experts via phone, email, and forum about the snake the flip floping is becauuse the top [art i previously wrote i attached it to the new care sheet. My computer is a crapper I have to download spell check and I was in a bit of a hurry. Sorry but ya gotta admit the snake is cute LOL
Great job. Way to show some enthusiasm for a species that not too many around here are probably aware of (including myself). What you did share is probably tons more than what anyone else knows off the top!

Thanks for sharing.
D80
 
Also remember to quote your sources for this care sheet. If you got it from another site or where you found some of your information please post it.
 
Most of it is from talking to people. There are hardky any books that even mention this little gem but SA reptile forum and Timm from Gherp helped
 
Thaks for the response none of this is plagerized I promise you that. I have spent a year reasearching this snake. I just got one 3 months ago. I have talked to experts via phone, email, and forum about the snake the flip floping is becauuse the top [art i previously wrote i attached it to the new care sheet. My computer is a crapper I have to download spell check and I was in a bit of a hurry. Sorry but ya gotta admit the snake is cute LOL

The snake is cute, but that really doesn't mean this care sheet is good. It's very poorly organized, and not very inclusive. In my opinion, I would recommend studying this species for a bit longer before attempting a care sheet. As far as the experts go, have you e-mailed the ones in Tanzania to see what they're like in they're native habitat? Most care sheets are only formulated after an intensive study of the animal both in its native environment, and in captivity.

As far as the clarity goes in the sheet, it's very... "muddy". The section stating the captive requirements lists humidity first, and then goes to temperature without any divider. Someone who reads this will think that they need to keep their humidity at 85-90% on the warm side and 78-80% on the cool side. While I know that's not what you intended to say, someone who came along and read this after reading nothing else about the snake might think that if they didn't have the sense to realize you had switched topics.

When doing a care sheet, it's best to avoid talking about your only animal that you've had for a few months. Towards the beginning, you mention your '08 baby. To me, that would immediately put me off from the rest of the sheet, thinking you had only had the snake for a short time. You also mention her several other times when you're talking about something you do specifically with her. Most care sheets are written by people who have more than one of the species they're writing about. In my opinion, only having one of the species, no matter how much research you do, does not an expert make, especially on the topic of behavior.

In the very last "Breeding" segment, you say "Typical colubrid breeding formula". To someone who has not had a colubrid before, that would look very confusing. The breeding should include facts such as the gestation period before laying, and then the incubation period of the eggs as well as a brumation "calendar".

I really hope you don't think I'm picking on you, because I'm really not trying to. I'm just trying to help you out.
 
Great job. Way to show some enthusiasm for a species that not too many around here are probably aware of (including myself). What you did share is probably tons more than what anyone else knows off the top!

Thanks for sharing.
D80

I do agree with this very much. I just think it could have been better organized.
 
Robbie I don't wanna start a thread war. But I hav posted this on a few other forums all positive feedback. It is a bit muddy sure. But you don't need to make a big fuss about it. I am young I have time to grow and learn. I have been working on this sheet for a while. The fact that you acused me of plagarizim is pretty upsetting. I understand your trying to help me but if you PM me that would be better as to not make the thread look bad
 
Most care sheets are only formulated after an intensive study of the animal both in its native environment, and in captivity.
With all due respect, no they're not. ;)

The kid did a great job. I don't think he intended to create a graduate thesis piece of work. I believe he is sharing the information he knows and has learned about his new animal. Its format is a little to be desired but quite honestly, as a running commentary, it's not any different than what anyone around here would probably share about cornsnakes with someone they're talking to on the street. Kudo's.

D80
 
Robbie I don't wanna start a thread war. But I hav posted this on a few other forums all positive feedback. It is a bit muddy sure. But you don't need to make a big fuss about it. I am young I have time to grow and learn. I have been working on this sheet for a while. The fact that you acused me of plagarizim is pretty upsetting. I understand your trying to help me but if you PM me that would be better as to not make the thread look bad


Hold on, he is giving you valid reasons... sit back and listen to him. This is why I told you to quote your sources. If this was a school paper your teacher would have told you the same so back off and listen to Robbie. He knows his stuff.
 
True that. I was just trying to show my smartness LMAO

Well your smartness will come through when you post proper sources and give credit where credit is due.

I agree with Brent on this, you did good by starting this thread and caresheet. Its not a known species and you did a lot of work writting this down but lists all books, people and sites you found this.

Here is a prime example of a care sheet writen in this manner from Melissa Kaplan's Site.
Here is one on Rosy Boas.
http://www.anapsid.org/rosyboa.html
 
Well okay I will give you my sources
Timm Smith, Glades Herp
SA reptile forum
the rest was all onserved by me. I keep a spiral note book of all behaviors observed
 
Would that be the same Melissa Kaplan that recommends crickets for cornsnakes . . . :poke:

:sidestep:
D80

But the info in the source isnt what i am talking about.. its how she sited them. That is what I am pointing out. The format is the proper way of writing a care sheet.
 
Would that be the same Melissa Kaplan that once recommended crickets for cornsnakes . . . :poke:

:sidestep:
D80

Well this is what she has on her care sheet now.

Feeding
An active snake will happily eat every 10 days or so. They will eat, and should only be fed, killed prey. A snake who is not hungry when live prey is introduced into the enclosure often finds itself becoming the meal, especially if the prey is a rat.

To economize, you can buy in bulk and freeze them. Contact your local herpetology society; many members breed mice and rats, and most will pre-kill them for you. Remove the prey item from the freezer and allow to defrost at room temperature. When defrosted, use forceps or tongs to pick up the rodent by the tail, and hold the prey in front of the snake for the snake to strike at.

Many snakes will eat prey that is just placed in the tank. Occasionally, a quail egg can be offered to wild-caught specimens. If the snake likes it, one can be offered every couple of weeks. (Since quail eggs purchased in stores or from hatcheries are unlikely to be fertilized, they should not form a regular part of the main diet.)

Start hatchlings off with pinkie mice. As your snake grows, gradually increase the prey size by offering fuzzies, crews, then small adult mice or rat pinkies. A full-grown Corn or Rat can eat a medium to large mouse; large Rat snakes can eat small rats. If you feed too much at one feeding session, or feed a prey item that is too large, your snake may regurgitate it.
 
Back
Top