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Hybrid or no? (pics)

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Just rescued this little girl from a local pet shop... just dropped in to see what they had and saw a 75 gallon tank or so with baby RTBs, baby balls and adult corns in the SAME TANK. Maybe 5 or 6 snakes total. Tried to educate the shop owners but they would have none of it. This little girl was freaking out and bolting around the cage whenever another snake would come near her.

Shes in quarentine now but I picked her up thinking she was just an amel in shed (shes very milky) but after I got her home I started thinking maybe she was actually a creamscicle hybrid.

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Oh that is awful.

She does have that creamscicle look to her face. Hopefully once she sheds out it will be easy to tell.

I don't even want to ask what store this was, I'd be too tempted to drive over there and give them a piece of my mind.

How many other corns did they have?
 
I wont say which one, but I will say it was in Asheboro. I drove out there to pick up some feed for my Llama at their southern states (mine doesnt carry it) and dropped into the pet store down the road just to check it out (a little mom and pop one). They had at least two corns in the tank... the girl I picked up and another small normal looking juvi. I saw two RTBs and two balls so I think they had two of each species in there, but it was a "display" type tank with tons of hiding and climbing vines and plants in there so more could have been hiding. Wish I could have taken them all :(
 
They also had two sub adult ball pythons in a tall bird cage with those finch type branch perches and big pest strips in the reptibark.
 
LOL I tried to sneak her in the house past my husband. He knew something was up when I pulled the car up to the reptile house instead of across the property to the barn where the llama is. He was like "I thought you just went out for llama and chicken feed???"

SURPRISE! :D
 
As good as it is to help the animals, it would probably be better if you don't do it in the future. They are the last person I would want to reward. Still, I hope she's pretty once she sheds!
 
I am so glad you decided to save her. I know how hard it is not to just walk away! Kudos!

She does look a little bit creamy but shedding can cause that look too.

Do you know for sure she is a girl? If so I would just watch for signs of her being gravid since she was with others.

Pretty scalebaby tho!~
 
I probed her as a girl but I'm not 100% (I am not known for my probing capabilities because I am so scared to hurt them) I *think* the only other colubrid in there was a juvi normal looking corn maybe half her size. Unless there were more hiding. I will watch her though!

I actually did contact animal control because along with the snakes there were some puppies there that I was concerned about as well and was told that if the cages were clean, the animals had proper heat, food/water thats all that matters. The cage looked quite nice- it was large, had lots of decorations and plants and heat/lighting etc. Sort of like a big community fish tank. Unless you know snakes, and how wrong it is to keep different species together, you'd think it was a beautiful set up.

They apparently did care about what I had to say about the puppies (dull coats, wormy bellies, crusty eyes and noses) and will go check that out.
 
Looks like it will be a very nice amel corn after it sheds. However, nobody will EVER be able to say if it does or doesn't have any past emoryi genetic lineage even in full-glory after it sheds.

If there was let's say...6.25% emoryi, how could anyone ever know or see this? Having orange coloration like that doesn't mean a thing as to it being a pure corn or creamsicle as they can both be highly variable as it is. There are many pure type amels that have that darker orange, and there are many that have a percentage of creamsicle that could also be like that. :shrugs:

I would simply call it an amel cornsnake and leave it at that. There are many countless THOUSANDS out there that have creamsicle geneflow and the owners don't have the slightest clue that they do anyway. :)


~Doug
 
... Makes me sad that even the authorities don't care about snakes and proper care. I wonder what they would say if they housed king snakes and corns together. As long as they have a proper viv, heating and water? Geez >.<
 
Isoldael said:
... Makes me sad that even the authorities don't care about snakes and proper care. I wonder what they would say if they housed king snakes and corns together. As long as they have a proper viv, heating and water? Geez >.<
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To me housing multiple snakes, especially species, are not proper housing. The pythons in that viv have other requirements as basic needs. This could be evidence for you to get them to respond about the snakes?
 
DMong said:
Looks like it will be a very nice amel corn after it sheds. However, nobody will EVER be able to say if it does or doesn't have any past emoryi genetic lineage even in full-glory after it sheds.

If there was let's say...6.25% emoryi, how could anyone ever know or see this? Having orange coloration like that doesn't mean a thing as to it being a pure corn or creamsicle as they can both be highly variable as it is. There are many pure type amels that have that darker orange, and there are many that have a percentage of creamsicle that could also be like that. :shrugs:

I would simply call it an amel cornsnake and leave it at that. There are many countless THOUSANDS out there that have creamsicle geneflow and the owners don't have the slightest clue that they do anyway. :)


~Doug
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I couldn't agree more with your sentiment Doug. My only question is if one breeds with a cornsnake that may or may not have hybrid influence are we not promoting more hybrids?
 
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