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hypers and ultra sunkissed hypo

Kuzco

Kuzco

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well the title pretty much explains it...

My question is why are there not hyper-melanistic snakes and why can i find nothing on ultra sunkissed hypo's?

My understanding is that the 3 hypo's are genetically independent so you should be able to breed one of these with some luck and the right pair.

And what the crap is hypo type C? why does it jump from A-B to D?
 
Hyper is not hypo. we have yet to find a near black corn, AKA a hyper gene. Currentally there are 4 hypo genes. Hypo A, Ultra (Hypo B), Sunkissed (Hypo C) and Lava (Hypo D). I am pretty sure there is as of yet no Ultra sunkissed hypoA.
 
I'm aware of the difference between hyper and hypo, just asking why, with the many many crazy morphs we have that no one has successfully breed a hyper line.

Lava is type C and Ultra is type D. But thank you for finding the missing C!!!

which begs the next question. Where is the Utra sunkissed lava hypo? yea your probably right, that name sucks, who'd want to breed that!?
 
Kuzco said:
I'm aware of the difference between hyper and hypo, just asking why, with the many many crazy morphs we have that no one has successfully breed a hyper line.
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I'm assuming no one has stumbled upon the gene (just as there is as of yet no leucistic corn)
 
I am not a breeder, but I would assume that there is no hyper gene because it either hasn't occurred, it hasn't been identified if it occurred, or if someone has suspected a snake to be hypermelanistic they haven't tested it enough to be able to say if it is genetic and how it will work.

From my understanding (again not a breeder), breeding snakes with similar morphs can get tough because they become difficult to tell apart. Breeding projects must be difficult when you can't figure out what snakes you will need to breed even if they are homo for the traits you need. Just a guess though :)

Isn't there another hypo gene called strawberry? Or am I getting myself confused?
 
yeah but strawberry isnt genetically independent of hypo A. good point though, A f1 hyper might just look like a darker normal until breed further.

Good call though on the leucistic, that'd be cool too.
 
Hypermelanistic would increase black, right? Well, the black is already quite black, so if we want a black corn snake that's not an evul hibyrd we want one where the black bleeds into as much as possible of the rest of the pattern, because we already have rich black in the pattern. So we actually want a gene that alters pattern so that the black bleeds over everything. Most of our color morphs just alter COLOR, not pattern. To get a truly black corn we would need something that altered pattern, and we don't have as many pattern genes as we do color genes (motley/stripe, diffused, Tessera come to mind as the pattern altering genes, am I missing any?). So I think a really dark corn snake will come from selectively breeding for black where it isn't supposed to be, or from the use of pattern genes.

BTW, I am working on it! Ask me in about 6 years when I should be starting F3 breeding.
 
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