Hypo and butter

[antsterr]

In my ongoing efforts to solve the mystery of my 2 "Orange Butters" I've stumbled upon a new theory.
What does a hypo butter look like? (Hypo, Amel, Caramel)

Below are pictures of my two orange butters. I purchased them off a fellow who claimed their parents were both serpenco butters. In the first year, 1/8 butters hatched out looking very very strange, he was orange. The second year 3/18 came out looking orange. The fellow sold his collection that year and moved across continent leaving me with the first orange he produced, a male, and a female from the second year.
You may have seen this fellow before, I've posted a few times over the years trying to figure him out.
Male "Orange Julius"

Female "Marinda"

This year I was able to breed the male one back to his normal het "orange butter" offspring. I produced 7 normals, 3 (very yellow) butters, 1 amel, 1 hypo. Only 1 hypo out of 12, reasonable if they were both het. But what if OJ there is homo hypo?

A coral snow is a hypo amel anery. Tossing in hypo enhances the pink colour that lies under the removed red. What if adding hypo to butter enhanced the pink that lies under their yellow? Could that explain the orange?

Any thoughts? Anyone have a butter that is also a proven hypo that I could have a look at?

 

[JimGERcream]

I believe the dark colour depends on the lineage. Here in Europe, we have a lot of these "dark" butters but most of them are not hypos.

Here are pics of an hypo sulfur and her hypo butter babys. maybe it helps?!

 

[NiklasTyreso]

Yes, I too have a dark european butter.

But what a great idea!
I want to se a Strawberry Hypo+ Butter (amel+ caramell).

 

[5 Star Serpents]

Yes, I too have a dark european butter.

But what a great idea!
I want to se a Strawberry Hypo+ Butter (amel+ caramell).

I attempted to start getting there this season with my gorgeous JMG coral ghost male and a butter mot female but it was just an attempt at a double clutch as I was just interested in producing a few for myself for a project and she didn't go for it...maybe next season I will work at it again, I haven't worked out all my pairings quite yet so there's a chance this may happen.:shrugs:

 

[Susan]

OJ has dark saddle borders that should not be there if he was a "true" butter, even one homo hypo. Something else is going on. Have you bred OJ to a non-related amel or butter? If not, maybe that is a good step to take to help identify his actual genetics. You did get a hypo offspring so hypo is in there, but maybe something else, such as ultra. I'm not sure if anyone has produced a hypo golddust or not, and it wouldn't surprise me if something else is in there, such as buf or kastanie. Those genes make amels that are more orangey, so why not butters as well. I would really like to see some closeup photos of OJ's eyes under different lighting situations.

Marinda looks like what I would expect a butter to look like.

 

[antsterr]

I could conceive Marina being a proper butter. Here is a comparison picture, just to highlighter her orange.

It's the red bits on OJ that really make me wonder what he is, and also wonder how to prove what he is. Could he maybe be a paradox and cells in his body that are only amel? We'll expect to see him again next year once I've done another breeding to see if anything new can be figured on him.

 

[NiklasTyreso]

On the last pic they both look like they have about the same dark blotch colour.
The difference is in the colour of the body, but that could depend on lineage.

I think one look like what a butter of okeetee lineage should look like and the other look like what a butter of miami background should look like.

Here is a link to pics of the father of my dark butter:
http://nindresreptiler.dinstudio.se/gallery_60.html

 

[Jessica29]

Very strange colors on both. The last pic almost makes the female look more like a candycane then a butter. But even then the colors off. I have no
Ideas as far as the male. Both very neat pretty snakes.