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Hypo type ? Lavender...

JFDery

JFDery

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Is anyone working with Cutting Edge Herp. Hypo Lavs?

I've bought some Hypo Lavender males from V. Russo at a NY show and bred one of them to one of my hypo "Miami" type females this year. I don't know which type of hypo my females are, but I know they are not compatible with Vin Russo's Hypo Lavs, I got all normals and amels from my pairing. Does anyone know which type of hypos Vin Russo's Lavs are? This would be a good start at trying to identify my other hypos... Yes, I'm 100% certain my female is a Hypo.

Cheers, JF
 
JFDery said:
Is anyone working with Cutting Edge Herp. Hypo Lavs?

I've bought some Hypo Lavender males from V. Russo at a NY show and bred one of them to one of my hypo "Miami" type females this year. I don't know which type of hypo my females are, but I know they are not compatible with Vin Russo's Hypo Lavs, I got all normals and amels from my pairing. Does anyone know which type of hypos Vin Russo's Lavs are? This would be a good start at trying to identify my other hypos... Yes, I'm 100% certain my female is a Hypo.

Cheers, JF
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I would guess if they were anything other than type A they would have been indicated as such, and more expensive. Can you post some pictures of the hypo lavender males and your crimson hypo?

Chris
 
I don't know what the picks can tell you as far as Hypo types, but here they are anyway. As I said, I'm 100% certain of my female being a hypo, just don't know which type.

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How about pics of the clutch? Another thing to consider.....has that female ever been bred before, or was there EVER another male in with her? Even for a little while?

Chris
 
I don't have any clutch pics handy, but they were regulars and amels, no hypos. No other male was in contact with her, even for one minute. This is her first clutch, only 11 or so eggs, no slugs, 3 amels.

I'll be holding on to 1.2 babies.
•1 male to be crossed with one sister (female 1) AND with the mother
•female #2 to be bred back to dad to see if he actually is a hypo (and I'm not questioning anyones honesty here)

Here's one of the amel babies and one of the regulars, aside one of the amels being zig zag patterned, they all look alike.
cheers

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ask vinny russo if the parents came off me from the lavender hypo because there is a twist to the story if the are. I might have the answer for you. i sold him normals het for hypo ,lavender, blood,and caramel. they also turned out to be het for amel and anery B. also your female does not look to be hypo type A
 
Regardless of type.it is very sharp!
The Border outlines remind me of the color expressed in the extreme hypo in hondurans.
 
hypo lav

that male lavender may not be a hypo it may just be a colorfull lav male that would be my guess
 
stephen said:
that male lavender may not be a hypo it may just be a colorfull lav male that would be my guess
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I was thinking the same thing. That male doesn't look as light as what I would expect for a male hypolav. It DOES look likw what I would expect a male lavender to look like.
 
Susan said:
I was thinking the same thing. That male doesn't look as light as what I would expect for a male hypolav. It DOES look likw what I would expect a male lavender to look like.
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I agree. I have a couple of lavender males that are colorful like that and are not homozygous for hypo.....some males come out of the egg looking like hypo lavenders. Unless it came from a hypo lav to hypo lav breeding, or hypo het lav to hypo het lav breeding the opportunity exists to make that mistake.

Chris
 
Vinman said:
ask vinny russo if the parents came off me from the lavender hypo because there is a twist to the story if the are. I might have the answer for you. i sold him normals het for hypo ,lavender, blood,and caramel. they also turned out to be het for amel and anery B. also your female does not look to be hypo type A
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I know he was selling Opals from the same clutch. When I was at his table in fall of 2004, he had 3 male lavs labeled Hypo Lavs, and 2 Opals. I bought the 3 hypo lavs, and all three are different. 2 of them are at a friend's place so I'll try to get him to send me some pics that I'll post here.

I also agree that he's not as light as many other hypo Lavs I've seen here, he's kinda in between my darkest female and my lightest male (different bloodline). I'll keep him anyway, he's still a good looking Lav and I can still test him for hypo with one of his daughters. Also, his babies are definitely het hypo lav, I'll just have to try and figure out a way to identify which type of hypo the mother is without "wasting" too many clutches.
 
no they aint from me because he bought hatchlings off me in 03 but i will tell you a funny story. I breed a hypo lavender blood that I produced ( quad het parents were bought off rich z ) to a amber also bought off rich z and 3/4 came out hypo and the others came out normal . I sold the hypo blood lavender back to rich z who proved it is a hypo. so maybe two hypo genes . both hypos but diffrent hypos and one was a hypo het for the other gene. now that does not make sinse either becaus he breeds it to type A hypos and I breed the female to type A hypos and we both get hypos.

I dont think this is your case, your hypo looks like a ultra I'm sure that if you breed your lav.male to a type A hypo you will get diffrent outcome
VINNY
 
Vinman said:
no they aint from me because he bought hatchlings off me in 03 but i will tell you a funny story. I breed a hypo lavender blood that I produced ( quad het parents were bought off rich z ) to a amber also bought off rich z and 3/4 came out hypo and the others came out normal . I sold the hypo blood lavender back to rich z who proved it is a hypo. so maybe two hypo genes . both hypos but diffrent hypos and one was a hypo het for the other gene. now that does not make sinse either becaus he breeds it to type A hypos and I breed the female to type A hypos and we both get hypos.

I dont think this is your case, your hypo looks like a ultra I'm sure that if you breed your lav.male to a type A hypo you will get diffrent outcome
VINNY
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If my hypo was an ultra, shouldn't I have got Ultramels by crossing it with a het amel lav? Absolutely nothing looked like Ultramels in the clutch. The amels do look different, but not Ultramels. Possibly Hypo B? All black areas are light brown, the shed is clear as cellophane and the eyes were never ruby colored even as a baby. This hypothetically indicate that dermal melanophores are normally active but epidermal melanocytes NOT active. Basically I think her type of hypomelanism could minimally be biologically described as "epidermal amelanism". The pupils of the lavender are ruby, which would suggest that his type of hypomelanism is related to dermal melanophores (I believe eye color is related to dermal chomatophores), but that does not exclude that he could have also been of the same type of hypo as the female, and that the ruby eye be directly related to the lavender trait.

JF
 
everything is by ramdom chance I've bred het amels before and got none and every year before and after got amels the same happend to me over the years with diffrent mutations sometimes a over abundance it has gone both ways
 
Vinman said:
everything is by ramdom chance[...]
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Yes, however, in this case, don’t you think the results point more towards another type of Hypo being Het for Amel?
 
JFDery said:
Yes, however, in this case, don’t you think the results point more towards another type of Hypo being Het for Amel?
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yes that can be the case but the hypo in the pic looks to bright than any of the hypos that I seen as adults. it has the brightness of a hatchling. my best guess is that it is a ultra or a ultramel . that fact you got amels does not prove the point either way. It is that your hypo to me looks like a ultra. Not looking to argue. just making a observation. you need to breed your lavender to a proven type A hypo female and go from there. i would breed the hypo to a amel not het for hypo. if you get hypos it is a ultra or a ultramel
 
OK, thank you for your comments. Here's a pick of anotherone of my hypos, what do you think of her? She is VERY bright!

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wow that is a hot animal is she realted to the firat hypo or baught off the same person . where did you get her
 
No she is not related at all. She came from a breeder around here, but apparently the parents do not exist anymore. A friend brought it over to my place to show it to me, I of course offered to buy it from him, being the brightest hypo I had ever seen, and lucky for me he agreed:) Other hypos in the clutch did not like that one at all. She is a bomb. My guess on her is either double homo hypo, or Ultra, but I'll have to test her. I wish it will turn out to be a simple recessive trait of course...

here's a couple more shots

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same snake pictured with an amel

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