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If I breed A Butter Motley To A Stripe?

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crazy4reptiles88

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I am getting a pair of corn snakes that I can't breed for a year as they are to small but If I breed a butter Motley male to a normal stripe het for butter female what would I possibly get? The Breeder said I would get all kinds of colors and possibly butter stripes as he said the male is possibly het for stripe. Thanks, Melissa
 
Hi!
IF the male is "het. stripe", he would be, in fact, a MotleyXStripe, i.e. both mutations are present, but only motley is visible.
So if he has stripe in him, the pair could sire stripes and MotleyXStripes (which would look like motleys anyway), in normal, butter and caramel color.
:wavey:
 
Thanks

I found out for sure what they both are het for the breeder just emailed me and they are het for caramel, anery, amel, motley and stripe and he said I could expect to see normal, amel, anery, snow, and butter--maybe even an amber in each clutch, The patterns will be normal, motley, and striped, but expect variations as well, such as motley-striped and striped-motley, even hurricane motley!! Whats a hurricane motley? Thanks, Melissa
 
This is an Anery with hurricane pattern.
motleyanery008.jpg

http://www.cornsnakes.net/gallery/motleyanery008.jpg
 
I breed a buttermotley to a butterstripe last year.

Some called them buttermotleys het stripe and some called them buttermotley-striped..
All of mine were hurricane anyway :)

Some pics aswell..
 

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crazy4reptiles88 said:
I found out for sure what they both are het for the breeder just emailed me and they are het for caramel, anery, amel, motley and stripe and he said I could expect to see normal, amel, anery, snow, and butter--maybe even an amber in each clutch, The patterns will be normal, motley, and striped, but expect variations as well, such as motley-striped and striped-motley, even hurricane motley!! Whats a hurricane motley? Thanks, Melissa
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Unless there is hypo in the mix (from both sides), you would not get any ambers. Also, a snake cannot be het for both motley and stripe and show the stripe pattern (unless she is a 'motley stripe', and not a true stripe), so your female must be homo stripe and not carrying the motley gene. So, with that in mind (and from what I could gather, male is butter motley het anery ph stripe, and your female is stripe het caramel, amel, anery?) their offspring would be as follows:

3/16 Motley (het. Amelanistic, het. Caramel, het. Stripe, 66% poss. het. Anerythristic)
3/16 Amelanistic, Motley (het. Caramel, het. Stripe, 66% poss. het. Anerythristic)
1/16 Anerythristic, Motley (het. Amelanistic, het. Caramel, het. Stripe)
1/16 Snow, Motley (het. Caramel, het. Stripe)
3/16 Caramel, Motley (het. Amelanistic, het. Stripe, 66% poss. het. Anerythristic)
3/16 Butter, Motley (het. Stripe, 66% poss. het. Anerythristic)
1/16 Anerythristic, Caramel, Motley (het. Amelanistic, het. Stripe)
1/16 Snow, Caramel, Motley (het. Stripe)

Now, if your male is in fact het stripe (a motley-stripe showing just the motley pattern), and your female is in fact a motley-stripe (appearing similar to a stripe), offspring would be:

9/64 Motley (het. Amelanistic, het. Caramel, 66% poss. het. Anerythristic, 66% poss. het. Stripe)
9/64 Amelanistic, Motley (het. Caramel, 66% poss. het. Anerythristic, 66% poss. het. Stripe)
3/64 Anerythristic, Motley (het. Amelanistic, het. Caramel, 66% poss. het. Stripe)
3/64 Snow, Motley (het. Caramel, 66% poss. het. Stripe)
9/64 Caramel, Motley (het. Amelanistic, 66% poss. het. Anerythristic, 66% poss. het. Stripe)
9/64 Butter, Motley (66% poss. het. Anerythristic, 66% poss. het. Stripe)
3/64 Anerythristic, Caramel, Motley (het. Amelanistic, 66% poss. het. Stripe)
3/64 Snow, Caramel, Motley (66% poss. het. Stripe)
3/64 Stripe (het. Amelanistic, het. Caramel, 66% poss. het. Anerythristic)
3/64 Amelanistic, Stripe (het. Caramel, 66% poss. het. Anerythristic)
1/64 Anerythristic, Stripe (het. Amelanistic, het. Caramel)
1/64 Snow, Stripe (het. Caramel)
3/64 Caramel, Stripe (het. Amelanistic, 66% poss. het. Anerythristic)
3/64 Butter, Stripe (66% poss. het. Anerythristic)
1/64 Anerythristic, Caramel, Stripe (het. Amelanistic)
1/64 Snow, Caramel, Stripe

Now, I would contact the breeder again to find out exactly who is carrying what genes (stripe/motley) and possibly post a picture of each (with the 'motley-stripes' appearing as stripes, you can tell by looking at them whether or not they are a true stripe or a motley-stripe).

Hope that makes sense (sometimes I have a really hard time expressing what I'm thinking and it ends up coming out all goofy).
 
RulinMJT said:
This is an Anery with hurricane pattern.
motleyanery008.jpg

http://www.cornsnakes.net/gallery/motleyanery008.jpg
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The_evil said:
I breed a buttermotley to a butterstripe last year.

Some called them buttermotleys het stripe and some called them buttermotley-striped..
All of mine were hurricane anyway :)

Some pics aswell..
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The top picture is a hurricane motley (the anery). A very nice example of one.

The butter motley-stripes are not hurricane patterned. They are in fact nice examples of what a typical motley-stripe will look like (some, such as the bottom one) taking on more of a regular motley look, and others getting more of a stripe look in some areas on the body. In order to be a hurricane motley, the saddle colors are faded and concentrated right around each 'circle' (I'm sure there's a proper term....) of the pattern (which again is wonderfully shown in the picture of the anery motley).
 
Isnt a hurricane when the color on the sides are faded?
Pardon my bad english.. :licklips:
Hope you understand me hehe

Here is another pic of one of them, but younger..
I hope Im not completely wrong about this, cause Ive sold them as hurricanes..
 

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The_evil said:
Isnt a hurricane when the color on the sides are faded?
Pardon my bad english.. :licklips:
Hope you understand me hehe

Here is another pic of one of them, but younger..
I hope Im not completely wrong about this, cause Ive sold them as hurricanes..
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This image is directly from Don's website (South Mountain Reptiles) and shows the difference between a regular motley and a hurricane motley. Ideally, the hurricane motley will have a darker color around the circles and lighter further away, just as an image of a hurricane would look like.

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