Specter_Blue
New member
ok thanks. it will be a couple weeks before I go purchase anyway, so in the meantime ill just keep posting questions and doing some reading.
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Introducing A New Adult Corn to My Current Adult Corn
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Cycal
Fignuts!
OK, heres my burning question :angry01: ...
Why is it, that everytime a perspective or newbie snake owner asks a question about co-habitiation or live feeding, some know-it-all has to jump in and start making an argument against SAFE AND SOUND advice???
It baffels me. Are you trying to make a first time snake owners experience bad? Does a first time snake owner need to be that much more nervous?
Why is it, that everytime a perspective or newbie snake owner asks a question about co-habitiation or live feeding, some know-it-all has to jump in and start making an argument against SAFE AND SOUND advice???
It baffels me. Are you trying to make a first time snake owners experience bad? Does a first time snake owner need to be that much more nervous?
[-ShoRty-]
Hatchling Mauritius
indeed i have no cluePlissken said:
flew off the handle a bit there didn't you??
i suggest you calm down this is a family site no need to get agitated
Specter_Blue
New member
hmmmm, i appreciated the advice..... and im not too worried, since all i have to do is buy 2 smaller aquariums than i had originally planned. no biggie.
Billybobob
very unactive member
Cycal said:
I really hate responding to threads that have been been brought back from the dead but since you decided to so aggressively attack my post i thought i would respond.
If you read the original post and then read mine, you will see that i was just answering the questions asked. Yes it would have been better if i had said that only an experienced keeper should try to house together, but there were allready a few post saying that and I don't like to just regurgitate other peoples advice. Plus some novice keepers will try to house together regardless of what experienced keepers tell them. So it is better to try and tell them as much as you can about both ways of thinking.
I hope that after reading this you are not so baffled about why i made my post the way that I did.
Cycal
Fignuts!
Billybobob said:
First and formost, let me apologize for not realizing this was necropost. Had i noticed i probably wouldnt not have bothered posting. However i was not "aggressively attacking" as you put it Billybob (if i was, youd know it).
What i was doing was doing was pointing out (sorry if it was rather abrasive, probably shouldnt have used the term "know-it-all") that people sometimes have a tendency to argue with sound logic on these boards, and that it confuses me as to why sometimes.
I feel that sometimes, more advanced advice for first time pet owners becomes more dangerous then it is actuly helpfull. Mainly due to the fact that people often build up expectations in their head of what the said pet will do before doing much research, and then only research the aspects that interest them. Often lataching on to advanced or situational theories advice. This often can lead to a disapointed owner who can lose interest and/or pets that are either abandoned or die to neglect or abuse due to the owners inability to view the situation realisticly.
This happens most often with dogs (especialy fad breeds that are featured on tv or in films) and cats. However it also quite common to see fish and reptiles kept this way.
To sum it up, i think its better to offer only sound advice to new or prospecetive owners vs feeding a potential disaster. Regardless if the person was hellbent on it or not. But thats just my 2 cents.
Once again i applogize if i came off sounding like a jerk.
Billybobob
very unactive member
Cycal said:
If you did not mean to attack no apology nessesary. Actualy i am sorry for jumping the gun on that one.
Cycal said:
I get your point and I am sure many here agree with you. But I still feel that both points of view should be given that way if a novice keeper decides to house together even though most suggest not to, they will have the info that may lower the risk of them having problems. Cause i care about the snake/s and i would hate to see a problem develop simply because the new keeper could not find the info he/she may have needed to prevent it.
Before anyone says it is still a bad idea to give the this kind of info to a novice keeper just remember that this is just my opinion and just like all opinions it should be taken with a grain of salt.
Jimmy Johnson
Old Timer
co-habitation
COHABITATION
MY OPINION
I feel it is best to keep snakes separate.
I know a lot of people keep multiple snakes together without problems and it can obviously be done without being detrimental to the snakes. I just feel the possible drawbacks need to be expressed.
When a person gets the experience and knowledge of each individual snake and wants to try co-habitation, it is up to them. They just need to be careful and able to read the subtle signs of their snakes.
There can be definite drawbacks.
If one snake becomes sick there is a very good likelihood the other/others will get sick as well.
It may also take a while (usually too long) to determine which one is the sick one.
If one regurgitates its food you won't know which one unless you happen to get lucky and see it.
If one has a problem stool you won't know which one. Once again one may have a problem but by the time you figure out which one the other/others could end up with the same problem.
Although this is only a slight possibility, it is still a possibility and has been know to happen, one snake could eat the other. The smell of a prey item could trigger one snake to eat the other. Or simple hunger accompanied by a ready food source.
Although uncommon, it has happened and is a possibility.
Another possibility is unwanted pregnancy. A female might get pregnant and you may not have the knowledge, desire or ability to incubate the eggs or raise the hatchlings. With hatchlings comes the responsibility to raise them or find them homes.
A lot of people rationalize by saying, "I will just put two males or two females together". That can work but mistakes can easily be made, especially with hatchlings. You could easily end up with a male and female.
There is also a chance of a female breeding too young or too small and becoming egg-bound. Although uncommon, it IS a possibility and can happen.
With multiple snakes in an enclosure you stand the chance of loosing all of them if there happens to be an avenue of escape. Instead of losing one you could loose two or more depending on how many you decide to place together.
One or both of the snakes could be stressed by the presence of the other. Stress can cause a drop in appetite and lead to other health problems as well.
People will put multiple snakes in an enclosure and ask why one isn't eating.
When they are told it is probably due to stress caused by the other snake, the response is almost always the same "they like each other, they are always under the same hide together". Well this probably just means "that" hide or area of the tank has the optimum conditions they are looking for.
Snakes do not LIKE each other or ENJOY each other’s company.
There is no capacity for snakes to "like" or "enjoy".
I have kept multiple snakes together without problems but have made a choice to keep them separate. There is NO clear argument on why you SHOULD keep them together but there ARE clear arguments as to why you SHOULD NOT.
So, in my opinion, although people do it successfully I just don't think it is worth the risk.
If you decide to keep multiple snakes together, watch closely for any signs of appetite loss, regurgitation or any kind of “personality” changes. These could all be signs of stress.
You would also want to feed them in separate containers and give them an hour or so before putting them back together.
My 2 cents
COHABITATION
MY OPINION
I feel it is best to keep snakes separate.
I know a lot of people keep multiple snakes together without problems and it can obviously be done without being detrimental to the snakes. I just feel the possible drawbacks need to be expressed.
When a person gets the experience and knowledge of each individual snake and wants to try co-habitation, it is up to them. They just need to be careful and able to read the subtle signs of their snakes.
There can be definite drawbacks.
If one snake becomes sick there is a very good likelihood the other/others will get sick as well.
It may also take a while (usually too long) to determine which one is the sick one.
If one regurgitates its food you won't know which one unless you happen to get lucky and see it.
If one has a problem stool you won't know which one. Once again one may have a problem but by the time you figure out which one the other/others could end up with the same problem.
Although this is only a slight possibility, it is still a possibility and has been know to happen, one snake could eat the other. The smell of a prey item could trigger one snake to eat the other. Or simple hunger accompanied by a ready food source.
Although uncommon, it has happened and is a possibility.
Another possibility is unwanted pregnancy. A female might get pregnant and you may not have the knowledge, desire or ability to incubate the eggs or raise the hatchlings. With hatchlings comes the responsibility to raise them or find them homes.
A lot of people rationalize by saying, "I will just put two males or two females together". That can work but mistakes can easily be made, especially with hatchlings. You could easily end up with a male and female.
There is also a chance of a female breeding too young or too small and becoming egg-bound. Although uncommon, it IS a possibility and can happen.
With multiple snakes in an enclosure you stand the chance of loosing all of them if there happens to be an avenue of escape. Instead of losing one you could loose two or more depending on how many you decide to place together.
One or both of the snakes could be stressed by the presence of the other. Stress can cause a drop in appetite and lead to other health problems as well.
People will put multiple snakes in an enclosure and ask why one isn't eating.
When they are told it is probably due to stress caused by the other snake, the response is almost always the same "they like each other, they are always under the same hide together". Well this probably just means "that" hide or area of the tank has the optimum conditions they are looking for.
Snakes do not LIKE each other or ENJOY each other’s company.
There is no capacity for snakes to "like" or "enjoy".
I have kept multiple snakes together without problems but have made a choice to keep them separate. There is NO clear argument on why you SHOULD keep them together but there ARE clear arguments as to why you SHOULD NOT.
So, in my opinion, although people do it successfully I just don't think it is worth the risk.
If you decide to keep multiple snakes together, watch closely for any signs of appetite loss, regurgitation or any kind of “personality” changes. These could all be signs of stress.
You would also want to feed them in separate containers and give them an hour or so before putting them back together.
My 2 cents
rhinecat
New member
Specter_Blue, you could buy a 55-gallon tank and keep it divided into two separate living areas--that way when they got older, if one was very large, you could un-divide the cage and put one snake in it. The larger tanks often give you more options as the snakes grow, or if you decide to keep larger species and move your corns to smaller cages.
Specter_Blue
New member
yeah, thats a pretty good idea. I may have to consider that
Jimmy Johnson
Old Timer
55 gallon tank divided
Here is an example of a divided 55 gallon tank
Here is an example of a divided 55 gallon tank
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Specter_Blue
New member
it seems very narrow..... or.... squished.... like, even tho it becomes 2 22.5 gallon tanks, the dimensions are all wrong. that would only really house two hatchlings right?
Specter_Blue
New member
im thinking ideally id like to get 2 30 gal long tanks for the snakes, maybe just raise them in there. should be fine as long as I provide several smaller hides (smaller than what an adult snake would be comfortable in) for the snake..... should be fine right (and better than cohabitation)? the 20 gal long tanks just seem so small for a 5 foot snake.
susang
New member
I am a newbie and have read most every word on this site, understand some, nothing about genetics, but still enjoy it. I must say I have had my first snake for three+ years and am amazed I didn't kill him/her, from all I read here.
As a newbie you probably first see corns in the pet store cute little babies maybe 15 in a viv, one national chain says it's OK to house corn together! Pet store owners either don't know or say it's fine. I have yet to find one tell me co-hab is a bad idea. I stumbled on this site when I put my second snake in with the first, all was well for a while, but than they got very aggressive with me and each other. I followed the advice here and seperated them, now all is fine. Now my worry the older on was sexed wrong is a female and will lay eggs and I won't be prepared (aggressive behavior or sex) as I know for sure younger one is male. Probably wouldn't have thought twice about before, but even if i have this worry, I know where to go for the answer. Thank you from a newbie who is learning a lot, enjoying, with a healthy dose of concern for my ability to care for these creautres.
As a newbie you probably first see corns in the pet store cute little babies maybe 15 in a viv, one national chain says it's OK to house corn together! Pet store owners either don't know or say it's fine. I have yet to find one tell me co-hab is a bad idea. I stumbled on this site when I put my second snake in with the first, all was well for a while, but than they got very aggressive with me and each other. I followed the advice here and seperated them, now all is fine. Now my worry the older on was sexed wrong is a female and will lay eggs and I won't be prepared (aggressive behavior or sex) as I know for sure younger one is male. Probably wouldn't have thought twice about before, but even if i have this worry, I know where to go for the answer. Thank you from a newbie who is learning a lot, enjoying, with a healthy dose of concern for my ability to care for these creautres.
