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Keep them together or separate?

simple_minded

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Hi. I want to start raising my own mice. I went out and bought a pair of black fancy mice. They're still pretty young. The girl is 4 weeks and the boy is about 6 weeks. Right now I have them housed together in a 54Qt which is the equivelant of a 15 gallon tank (i think).

They weren't housed together in the petstore. And they've only been with me for about a day. But I just realized that the female may be too young to be bred. But I also want them to get along. So should I keep them together or separate them?

Thanks.
 
Keep them together... 4 weeks is old enough to have babies without problems. You can keep the male in when she has them aswell...

But no more than 1 male per tank.
 
What she said .. However i would get at least one more female. In my VERY limited experience, backed up by research, mice do better with more than one female in the group. (I have three females in mine and they do REALLY well.)

Like Tula said tho, only one male per tank. Oh, and if you are going to add a female or two you need to do it ASAP. An established colony will often reject and kill a new female. (Or so my research suggests)
 
Hi, thanks for the replies.

There's only 1 male in the colony, and I plan to keep it that way. The thing is, I dont have a lot of snakes to feed, so with 2 females I'll be producing waaay more than enough pinkies. But if the female that I have right now have small litters, I might keep back a baby female from one of her litters.

Here are a couple pictures of the cuties:

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nesualCttaM said:
I hope you dont get too attached to those "cuties" :roflmao:


Agreed lol... I have some fuzzies and pinkies right now and they are so cute I am not sure how I am gonna feed em to my snakes...
 
sfaoldguy said:
Agreed lol... I have some fuzzies and pinkies right now and they are so cute I am not sure how I am gonna feed em to my snakes...

Same her i have 7 rat pups growing up that i don´t know how i will feed. if you only have two snake you could keep 2-3 mayb more each litter to let grwo so you have a next size when you need it.
 
aiden_punx said:
Same her i have 7 rat pups growing up that i don´t know how i will feed. if you only have two snake you could keep 2-3 mayb more each litter to let grwo so you have a next size when you need it.

yea... I have two snakes that eat full grown mice and one snake that won't eat anything but fish... At the time of this post, I have 3 older fuzzies, 11 pinkies and another mother giving birth right now I think... Will see if she is smaller when she comes out of her home...
 
sfaoldguy said:
yea... I have two snakes that eat full grown mice and one snake that won't eat anything but fish... At the time of this post, I have 3 older fuzzies, 11 pinkies and another mother giving birth right now I think... Will see if she is smaller when she comes out of her home...
What sort of snake do you have that only eats fish?
 
nesualCttaM said:
I hope you dont get too attached to those "cuties" :roflmao:

Can't help it.. I'm already attached. Thank goodness I don't have any snakes that eat anything larger than a pinkie right now. I'll have no problems killing off pinkies, but I dont know if I'll have the heart to kill off fuzzies. :shrugs:

nesualCttaM said:
What sort of snake do you have that only eats fish?

I think garters and ribbons eat fish.
 
I'm not in agreement. 4 weeks makes a female about 15 grams ... which is considered to be a weaned mouse. Optimal age is around 3 months. While they can be bred that young a pregnancy that early will usually result in a cannibalized litter, and is quite hard on a female. However they are a social animal and prefer to be kept in groups (colonies). Ask the store you bought them from if they will buy/trade any extra mice you produce. Some will and say that they only need a certain size ... some wont buy/trade no matter what. If they will get another female.

The male is going to be a bit of a problem now that it has been kept with a female ... once a male is housed with females it is extremely hard to get them to house with another male.

Bryan
 
Ahh Im Sad Now I Had Caught A Baby Waterback D.s. Only To Find He Wouldnt Eat A Tree Frog Which The Info I Gathered Said He Would And He Died,,,,
 
why do they mice eat ea. other with 1 male to 3-4 females? sometimes it's the male that gets eaten and sometimes it's the females. also why do the females eat the pinkies all but the skull? this is sooo frustrating when yer trying to feed clutches of snakes or need adult mice for 30 some snakes. pleeeez help. can i add a male to2 females even though the male has been with other females ? in other words move him from cage to cage ? i have more than 1 male but they are getting killed off so fast i think i only have 2-3 males left out of about 8 thanks gail
 
Have you not read this thread? Pretty much everyone says that its not a good idea to move the males around. Thats when they get killed. Get some young mice , females and males at the same time preferably from the same litter or at least the same bin at the pet shop and put them in their colony and leave them alone, don't move them around. This will usually work.
 
yes i did read parts of the thread ! and no i haven't moved my males around ! i don't have to the females do it for me before i even see them more than 3-4 times . they still kill ea other and if you noticed , it's not just males it's females killing females with no males involved and the stupid canibilists eat their own young and they get fed every morning and they have a watering system on the cages. now what else could it be since i'm not moving the males around! gail
 
Well, mice are filthy, evil cannibalistic monsters. I've had colonies that seemed fine go ballistic and start eating all the pinks, etc. I fed them off ans tried again with new mice from a different source. Do they have enough protein in their diet? is there surplus food available at all times? Plenty of water? Don't know what else it could be sorry.
 
i found an adult today alive but her nose was hanging off from her face we put the poor thing down i can't imagine the pain it was in . i'm thinkin about just ordering all my mice on line frozen and packaged . i'm spending more money in replacing dead mice than i'd spend in buying online with shipping involved . plus i'm buying at local petstores almost every wk. because the dang things keep eating one another or just for no appearant reason die. rats are much easier but less practical for cornsnakes. they just make em fat they r good for bulking up the females though or bulking up snakes before brumation. other than that mice are fine to buy online imo. gail
 
Gail there are alot of things that have to go right before you can get a colony of mice "gelling".

One practice that worked well for me in the beginning was to have a "open colony". I would have 1 male for about 15 females ... as soon as the females got noticeably pregnant they would go to a single holding tub. And I would put a new female in with the male. Although it worked for me most people will find that it is horribly time consuming.

The cannibalism is usually due to wrong protein content in their diet (or limited resources), the male not thinking the babies are his, and first time females or old females with no litters.

When I get in new mice that I may want to breed I sex them out. Males go together ... females go together. Youll lose some animals the first week ... but you probably would have lost them anyhow. During this first week I get them used to drinking from valves or bottles, get them on my rodent pellets (which are 16% protein 5% fat), and cull any that I think are weak or show deformities.

After this first week they are then put into female only colonies. If its a 1:5 rack I put in 5 females ... if its a 1:6 rack I put in 6 females. I then leave them alone in their newly establishing colonies for another week. At the beginning of the third week I introduce the male.

The male, having been kept with other males, wont have as much testosterone for the first few days, and will be easier for the females to get along with. The male should be 4-5 grams bigger than the females. Once the male is introduced leave them alone for a few days (except to feed or water).

When introducing the male to the female do so right after a bedding change ... this way its noones territory.

Females in a colony need to be the same size. If you have 3 large females and 2 weaned females, the 2 weaned females will most likely be dead the next morning. When introducing a female to a colony to replace a dead or culled one make sure she is at least the same size as the other females ... dont introduce an older female that is unproven and make sure it is done at the same time as a bedding change ... even if this means doing a bedding change sooner or keeping the mouse solo for a few days.

Bryan
 
thank you for all this info i appreciate your time and knowledge. it's time to clean all cages so i guess i'll try things like you said and do some restocking of mice AGAIN . it gets so frustrating and u want to pull your hair out sometimes . i wonder what i'll find today when i go check on them . yesterday i threw away 3 dead mice that's just from one day. i check them everyday. it's expensive frustrating and alot of work for nothing when no babies are available. thanks again gail
 
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