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Kinked??

C

Charlie

Too Far Gone
Hello,
I have a 03 hatch anery a bloodred. I was planning on breeding him later on in his life. Well, today I noticed he has a slight kink in his spine. Barely noticable unless you really look hard. Would it be a bad idea to breed him later on. It doesn't bother him at all. He eats fine, shed fine, and gets around great. The kink is about halfway down his back. Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks
 
say it is genetic. What would of caused the kink? Too much inbreeding..what? And if it is genetic and I do breed him, what are the chances the babies would have kinks?
 
Yes the babys would have kinks IF it in genetic and they could be WAY worse!
 
if it is genetic....

even if I breed him to a female that has no inbreeding or kinks in her genetics...the babies would still have kinks. I would think that if both parents had it then the babies would, not if just one parent has it. Anyone else have some suggestions?
 
well i know you said someone else but you got a good point The kinks Would Probaly not show up if you breed him to a GOOD ginetic female :D good point
 
There are no genetic kinks in corns that I am aware of it is usually due improper incubation such as too high of temps or too high humidity or too much temperature variation as I have noticed this even in lizards and there seems to be no problem aslong as they eat and shed fine in males but in females if it is a major kink it can affect breeding if it is too close to the clocal (Vent). I wouldn't worry about it if it is only slightly noticeable.
 
I was talking to simon about breeding kinked corns and he said DONT it can be Ginetic!
 
As far as I know, nobody has proved that spinal kinks are genetic. And nobody has proved they aren't. It seems to be a case of lots of theories and few hard facts.

Here's another theory to add to the collection. The kinks are caused by a borderline vitamin deficiency in the mother. If so, then an occasional supplement or a freshly hatched baby chick every month or so might prevent kinking in the babies.
 
Though I know many people would consider it wrong to do this it would seem to me that if it is genetic, the following would be the ideal experiment...

Breed a male kinked to a non-kinked female. Theoretically, none of the hatchlings should come out kinked if it is genetic, because it would be a recessive trait. Of course this is assuming that the eggs have no temperature or humidity problems (which could really screw up the experiment).

You would then breed the papa snake to two or three daughters. If the kink is genetic, a good 50% of the offspring would be kinked. If this turns out to be true, you would then need to have a good database of whomever got the unkinked babies from the original breedings, as they would all be "het for kink" and you would have to NOT breed that snake, or any of it's offspring again. They might not be happy to learn that their animals are het for a kink. It would also call into question the genetics of the parent animals, and the sibling animals to the one with the kink.

If I raised snakes that routinely only ate other snakes, I might try this experiment if only to determine if it is genetic and to squash the debate firmly.
 
But if the kinking is genetic (theoretically) what's to stop it being a dominant trait? I mean what if you only need one parent to pass on the kink gene? I guess it would be a problem if it was a sex linked gene too....I know all this is just assumption, just wondering out loud really! :rolleyes:
 
Wouldn't you think though...if kinking is genetic...wouldn't we see alot more kinks out there? I mean if all it took was two hetero parents to produce kinked babies wouldn't there already be a bunch of kinked snakes out there. I believe that kinks are more due to environmental factors then genetics. Until otherwise proved that kinks are genetic (with data to back it up) I believe it is incubation problems.
 
Kinking could be produced by a dominant gene. But I don't think so because, IMHO, kinking would be deleterious in the wild. And kinking would be deleted from the wild gene pool almost as rapidly as it appeared.

If kinking was caused by a sexlinked recessive, we should see far more kinked females than males. Especially if breeders delete kinked females from the population. (Colubrid snakes have the avian pattern of sex chromosomes, with two large Z chromosomes in the male and a large Z and small W in the female. The mammalian pattern of sex chromosomes is two large X chromosomes in the female and a large X and small Y chromosome in the male.)

I'd like to see someone take a pair of kinked corns, preferably brother and sister, and raise them on a vitamin-enriched diet. Then mate them when adult and see what the babies look like.
 
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