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Live Mice....

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I AM A:
I know that live mice are not necessarily recommended while corns are young...but at what age (size) would it be okay to introduce live food?

Is there any major drawbacks to live food?

There is just something facinating about watching a snake take down his own dinner, instead of having it served warmed up...
 
If your snake will take frozen I wouldn't feed it live at all.A mouse can do some damage to your snake maybe ever kill it.
 
That the main consciences here. But sometime the snake won't eat f/t so you must feed live or stunned.
 
The question I would ask is if the snake is already eating f/t why what would the reasoning be behind switching it to live?
 
Preita said:
The question I would ask is if the snake is already eating f/t why what would the reasoning be behind switching it to live?


Also my question. From what I have read feeding live carries the risk of the snake being injured. In addition say you get him on live feeders and the snake grows accustom to this then live rodents suddenly become unavailable and now he refuses f/t. Hypothetical I know but better safe than sorry in my opinion. I have read stories on this forum of people working very hard to get their switched from live to f/t. Just some food for thought :wavey:
 
thanks guys. I was under the impression that using f/t was used as a precaution only while the snake was young, and that you would switch at some point. So you're telling me that as long as he accepts it, I should continue to use f/t even at 5 or 10 years of age?! That would be alot easier, lol.
 
If your snake is currently eating f/t and you're happy with that, there's no point in switching if its working out for you as is.

Watching snakes take down their own prey is an awesome sight, but to feed live for that sole purpose is very selfish from my point of view. It's like throwing us into a pit to try to kill a bull with a buck knife. It may be interesting to watch, but its a dangerous game to play. The priorities are totally screwed up.

I was under the impression that using f/t was used as a precaution only while the snake was young, and that you would switch at some point.

Nah. Actually its safer to feed live prey to younger snakes than older ones. Pinkies and fuzzies can't do an ounce worth of damage to your snake. Their eyes aren't open and they have no teeth.

Most snakes know the head-end from the rear-end, and start there first. If the pink isn't constricted, it's suffocated pretty quickly during the swallowing process. Even if started at the rear, the whole process doesn't last that long if the snake doesn't dawdle around.

I'm not saying all of this to give you ammunition to reconsider, just stating the facts.

I raise my own food, and I feed live pinks-fuzzies. Its just easier for me to collect the mice, drop them in the hatchlings' tubs, and walk off. Its the correct temp already and there's no mess involved. My adult snakes get pre-killed mice/rats. The food is fresh killed just a few minutes prior to feeding. Again, that's just easier for me.

What works for the gander doesn't always work for the goose. Everyone does things differently for different reasons. But those that think its "kewl to watch it kill its food, dood" need a good thwap upside the head, imho.
 
I totally agree.
My oldest corn is 10 and in addition to him I have 9 other corns and 8 rosy boas. None have ever eaten a live meal. None ever will.
 
Feeding live is yucky!

Not only is it not good for the snake (can cause injury). But they poop all over! Ive only fed my ball python live once and refused to ever since. Thank goodness hes a fatso and would eat anything including Frozen thawed rats!!! Not one of my corns will even attempt a live mouse! Only know this because I tryed inducing one to eat before with a live mouse, he just hid from it. Guess they rather have there food served to them pre-dead!
 
mbdorfer said:
Feeding F/T is way more "yuckier" IMO. But to each his own, so back off rodent lovers :grin01:

I was wondering when you'd jump in on this one Mike. :)

I used to feed live exclusively, and I never had a single problem. Of course, I never left a live mouse above fuzzy age with a corn for any length of time. My two young blizzards will only accept live right now. The female is eating hoppers or larger, and I'll tell you, those mice don't have time to do her any damage! BAM!
 
I think f/t is just easier. But if I had a snake that needed live, well then I would bonk mice over the head. (And I think f/t is gross too, I don't dig the luke warm feel of a thawed pinky).
 
I use f/t because it's cheap to buy in quantity, and I refuse to raise my own disgusting mice. If I could get healthy live mice as conveniently and cheaply as f/t, I would probably use all live. And it has nothing to do with "kicks." The "kick" that I got from watching live feeding was gone within months of getting my first corn at 14.

I realize that there are risks associated with feeding live, but in my opinion, these risks are minimal with mice. Live rats are a different story, but I've never used them, live or f/t. I also think that there is a certain "workout" benefit from feeding live. My female blizzard has demanded live for most of her 4-5 months, and I swear that she has the best muscle-tone of any of my '05s. She also weighs as much as my fastest growing f/t '05s, despite the fact that I do not supplement-dust her prey items.

I think the potential injury risk to an adult corn from a live adult mouse is probably about the same as the risk of injury from handling. A drop on the floor could be injurious or fatal, but we accept the risk and we're careful.

My $.02
 
My Yearling Albino......

TAKES OUT HER PREY...lol(I ONLY FEED F/T) SHE CONSTRICTS THAT DEAD MOUSE LIKE IT JUST BIT HER. GOOD SHOW. :grin01:
 
I happened to watch Venom ER last night and they were showing how ground squirrels have developed immunity. As a side study they were studying how the snakes strike etc. There were quite a few incidences where the snake wasn't real hungry but struck defensively and as a result, poorly. The snake was actually bitten in the face and neck by the rodent as it grabbed it. Good enough reason not to feed live for me! Mine all eat f/t and will continue in that fashion until they die (hopefully of old age!).
 
This is sort of just my own opinion, but to me, feeding f/t to our snakes is like feeding dog food to dogs. You wouldn't want your dog to have to go and find his own food would you? To have to go out and catch and kill rabbits and squirrels and whatever else wild dogs would catch. So we feed them dog food because they are domesticated. The same reason we should feed our snakes f/t because they are domesticated too in a way. You can't exactly call and almost pure white blizzard cornsnake a "wild" animal. Or a screaming pink neon corn either. I can't imagine either of those corns making it in the wild, trying to blend in with the background and not being able to. Because we've created these morphs, that makes corns domesticated. And to those who do feed live, as long as the prey is pre-killed or at least stunned, I think that's fine too. Just my take on things.
 
This question is directed to those that do feed live (Roy & Mike) - I've always fed in a separate container, but since moving up to Hoppers (who are much more active) my little guy just sniffs and lets the mouse crawl all over him but never strikes...unless he's in his viv. I tried feeding a hopper in the container and sat there for an hour waiting for him to eat. Never did. So I tried again 2 days later, again in the separate container for about 1/2 hour and still no luck. So I took all the aspen out of his viv, laid newspaper down and put all his hidey's back in. Put the mouse directly in his viv after about 15 minutes to get him settled down and he went straight for him. This is the 3rd time where he won't eat in the separate container, 3rd time that he's eaten hoppers. I don't want him to associate me opening his viv to food, but he just won't eat in another container. Any suggestions?
 
Just a thought, can you make up another feeding viv with paper towels and hide. out of something smaller maybe??
 
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