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Making blizzards
- Thread starter Vedica
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Kevin M
Corn Addict
The main genetic makeup of a Blizzard is Amelanistic x Anerythristic B (AKA Charcoal)
If you bred an Amel to a Charcoal the F1 generation would all be normals het for blizzard.
If you then bred those het blizzard hatchlings to each other you'd have a 1in16 chance of producing a blizzard.
If you bred an Amel to a Charcoal the F1 generation would all be normals het for blizzard.
If you then bred those het blizzard hatchlings to each other you'd have a 1in16 chance of producing a blizzard.
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Herphilious Lunacious
whoops.. I answered the other question before I saw this, and there are sublte differences.
If you want a simple explenation of punnett squares.. I can't help
I use the GnP Calc from www.NEMsoft.com and it worries about the punnett squares for me. What's important for me to know then, is primarilly that:
Snow - Amel + Anery-A
Blizzard - Amel + Anery-B
Butter - Amel + Caramel
Opal - Amel + Lavender
Charcoal - Anery-B + Hypo-A
Ghost - Anery-A + Hypo-A
Amber - Hypo-A + Caramel
Crimson - Hypo-A + Miami
Pewter - Anery-B + Bloodred
Meaning that the vital ingredients in a blizzard coctail are the two gentic lines referred to as amel and anery-b (charcoal). Of course, since both these traits seem to be recessive genes you can't cross an amel with a charcoal and expect to get anything other than normals; normal-looking anyway. However, 100% of them will be "double hets", or what most people would shorten to "het for blizzard". That's a bit of a misnomer, because if you breed a "het for blizzard" with another "het for blizzard" you're going to wind up not only with normals and blizzards, but you'll also get amels and charcoals too.
I hope I answered your question without going overboard!
^Curtis
If you want a simple explenation of punnett squares.. I can't help
I use the GnP Calc from www.NEMsoft.com and it worries about the punnett squares for me. What's important for me to know then, is primarilly that:Snow - Amel + Anery-A
Blizzard - Amel + Anery-B
Butter - Amel + Caramel
Opal - Amel + Lavender
Charcoal - Anery-B + Hypo-A
Ghost - Anery-A + Hypo-A
Amber - Hypo-A + Caramel
Crimson - Hypo-A + Miami
Pewter - Anery-B + Bloodred
Meaning that the vital ingredients in a blizzard coctail are the two gentic lines referred to as amel and anery-b (charcoal). Of course, since both these traits seem to be recessive genes you can't cross an amel with a charcoal and expect to get anything other than normals; normal-looking anyway. However, 100% of them will be "double hets", or what most people would shorten to "het for blizzard". That's a bit of a misnomer, because if you breed a "het for blizzard" with another "het for blizzard" you're going to wind up not only with normals and blizzards, but you'll also get amels and charcoals too.
I hope I answered your question without going overboard!
^Curtis
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Herphilious Lunacious
a small correction
I noticed, that in doing a cut-n-paste from some old notes, I've posted a lie. Charcoal is a simple "anery-b". anery-b Plus hypo is a charcoal ghost.
Also, since I'm posting - bloodred, miami, and sunglow are examples of genetic expressions the breeders haven't entirely untangled yet. You can't (I don't think) breed a bloodred to a miami to get "100% het bloodred and miami". Put another way, take an offspring from that pairing, then breed it back to a different bloodred or miami and rather than having ~50% bloodred and ~50% miami, each individual hatchling will end up somewhere on a wide scale extending between the extremes of those potentials.
I noticed, that in doing a cut-n-paste from some old notes, I've posted a lie. Charcoal is a simple "anery-b". anery-b Plus hypo is a charcoal ghost.
Also, since I'm posting - bloodred, miami, and sunglow are examples of genetic expressions the breeders haven't entirely untangled yet. You can't (I don't think) breed a bloodred to a miami to get "100% het bloodred and miami". Put another way, take an offspring from that pairing, then breed it back to a different bloodred or miami and rather than having ~50% bloodred and ~50% miami, each individual hatchling will end up somewhere on a wide scale extending between the extremes of those potentials.
Serpwidgets
New member
You might find my morph library and genetics tutorial useful.Vedica said:
Although genetic calculators/predictors can be useful, IMO it is important to understand the actual process of the inheritance of traits, whether or not you use a calculator. It's like using a calculator to add and never learning how to count. They can be great for some stuff, and to verify your answers once you've figured out the question you're even asking. But realize that, in practice, you will run into many "word problems" that cannot be answered by plugging numbers into a calculator.
The understanding of what's going on underneath also gives you insight into things you wouldn't have otherwise thought of, and is worth the time you invest in learning it.
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Herphilious Lunacious
Serpwidgets,
You might be a good person to ask this question of: where does "pastel" fit into the moprh library? Is it a depreciated name? If so, for what?
One of the earliest corn snakes into my collection was sold to me as a "pastel motley X albino okeetee". She looks to me for all the world like a charcoal (or maybe anery-A... are there good ways to visually distinguish them? if the answer is in your library I'll find it...) so my best guess is she's anery-B and multihet for: amel, motley, and "okeetee" if you want to call it a het.
Please meet Spirit:
You might be a good person to ask this question of: where does "pastel" fit into the moprh library? Is it a depreciated name? If so, for what?
One of the earliest corn snakes into my collection was sold to me as a "pastel motley X albino okeetee". She looks to me for all the world like a charcoal (or maybe anery-A... are there good ways to visually distinguish them? if the answer is in your library I'll find it...) so my best guess is she's anery-B and multihet for: amel, motley, and "okeetee" if you want to call it a het.
Please meet Spirit:
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Serpwidgets
New member
To the best of my knowledge, "pastel" is carefully applied by many people to specific ghosts or motleys that have specific "pastel" coloration.
Others apply the word haphazardly to anything that is anery + hypo and/or motley, regardless of what it looks like.
If someone applies that word to something you want to buy, be sure to get an explicit answer as to which traits it is homozygous for.
I really doubt that Spirit is AneryB, JMO. Where did you get her from, and can you ask?
Others apply the word haphazardly to anything that is anery + hypo and/or motley, regardless of what it looks like.
If someone applies that word to something you want to buy, be sure to get an explicit answer as to which traits it is homozygous for.
I really doubt that Spirit is AneryB, JMO. Where did you get her from, and can you ask?