Motley Intrigued?

[Jay@PJCReptiles]

I voted other, because I feel a motley is a motley. I think the whole trade name thing has gone waaayyyy overboard with the amount of names being used. Every snake that is slighty different has to have another name thrown on it to make it fancier. Personally, I'm think it's gotten totally out of hand.

This was my feelings exactly when I posted this thread. I don't know why people feel the need to have to make up another name for something that is already accepted as the "trade name" in the Cornsnake community. And the trade name that has been chosen, Motley, couldn't be a better descriptive name as it is based on the gene that makes up the look of the snake. Motley is Motley whether it is perfect round circles down the back or whether it is a very irregular pattern. I agree with Duff in the fact that the "Name Slinging" is out of control. People see something that may be a little different and they seem to have the need to name/rename something without any proof that it may be caused by something genetic.

Motley - adjective : Exhibiting great diversity of elements. Not the Norm. Not typical.

synonyms - varied, mixed, aberrant

I will vote "Other" based on my opinion of Motley is Motley. These were just my thoughts and feelings and I truely appreciate yours. Thanks to all who participated. :cheers:
Jay

 

[Jay@PJCReptiles]

vBulletin Message: You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Duff again.

Jay

 

[Mrs InsaneOne]

I also voted for other... as stated Motley already, by definition, describes the saddle pattern(s) as varied, aberrant, or assorted. Words such as 'Pin stripe', 'Q-tip', and 'Zipper' just further define the look of the snake - not the actual genetic make-up of the snake.

And quite frankly, the whole Motley/Stripe and Motley het stripe thing is enough to give a body a headache without adding in a hundred other names.

But hey, that's just me and I'm blonde enough and blind enough for two...

Jenn

 

[cornsnake00]

Zipper Motley

Motley het butter

 

[venomstreet]

I've sat here for the last few days reading posts in this section from page 156 to this page. This whole Striped, Motley deal has got me wondering why people want to make it so hard. What is wrong with common sense? Here's how I see it.
A 4-lined Stripe is a Stripe. It doesn't matter what it's parents are when it comes to the look of the particular animal.
A visual Motley is a Motley. It doesn't matter if one of the parents was a 4-lined Stripe.
A visual Motley Stripe is a Motley whose dorsal pattern is more striped than spots, but not 4-lined Striped. 4-Lined (True) Striped is a totally different type of Stripe.

Now for some pics. I hope I do this correctly so you can see them. These are my thoughts on what is what. Tell me if and why you disagree if you do.

This is a 4-lined Amel Stripe. A True Stripe if you will. The mother was Amel het Stripe the father was Caramel Motley Stripe het Amel and he is pictured below. I call him a Motley Stripe, because his Motley markings have formed a Stripe as opposed to the more common circles seen on Motley's. It was sold to me by Michelle Heart who got it from Rich Z. He is not True Stripe. He is a visual Motley Stripe.

Below is a Caramel Motley. It was produced by the Caramel Motley Stripe male above and the Amel Motley Stripe het Caramel female below him. Also from Rich by way of Michelle.

Below is a Motley. Her mother was a True 4-Lined Stripe. Her father was a Lavender Motley. She is a Motley. Not a Striped Motley, or Motley Striped. She looks nothing like the Amel and Caramel Motley Stripes above. She is het for True Stripe, but she is not striped.

The above Motley female was bred to the male below. They produced 1.1 True Striped and the rest were Normal Motley's with circles. The mother is het True Stripe because her mother was True Stripe. The male below has to be het True Striped in order for them to produce True Striped offspring, according to the Corn Predictors I use. Mick's and Generic. Thanks to the designers of these programs by the way. I also use the online predictor, when I'm online.

If the snake has Zipper Stripes, Q-Tips, Barbells, Dumbbells, alternating Stripes and Spots, or a continuous Dorsal Stripe like the Caramel and Amel Motley Stripes pictured above, it doesn’t change the fact that it is a Motley, but common sense says it can be called Motley Striped or Striped Motley, if the markings are more Striped than the normal Motley circles.

Calling a visual Motley, a Striped Motley or Motley Striped because one of it's parents was a True Stripe, is confusing to some common sense-wise wrong. Is a visual Amel who has a Striped parent called a Amel Stripe or Amel het Stripe?
If your explaining the genetic makeup of a visual Motley to someone and you tell them it's parents were Motley x Stripe, then your correct.

 

[farfrumugen]

well by definition....

motley as described by the oxford english dictionary-
When used as a noun, it can mean "a varied mixture."
so a broken motley pattern is by definition to be described as well "motley"
adam jeffery

 

[venomstreet]

Webster's defines Motley as "a. of many colors; varied; of diverse elements". No biggie. I'm just opposed to calling a Motley that is not striped, a Striped Motley or Motley Striped, just because it may have a parent that is striped.
But, you have to admit, the Caramel Motley and especially the Amel Motley are about as striped as a Motley can be. To me they look more like a Striped version of the Motley pattern than just plain Motley? That is why I call them Motley Striped.
I don't know what Rich sold tham as, but when I bought them they were advertised as Caramel Motley Stripe het Amel and Amel Motley Striped het Caramel, and that is what they look like.
Learning Corn Morphs is difficult enough. No need to make it worse.
RC