Motley or normal pattern?

[tbtusk]

This ultramel just shed today after hatching last week. His stomach is partially checkered, especially towards the tail, but the rest of his ventral looks motley. His pattern appears to be normal, but I know there's a range to the look of motleys. Could someone with a bit more experience confirm this as a confirm this as a ultramel het stripe rather than an ultramel mot het stripe?

The first ventral photo is from near the head, then the center of the belly, and finally near the tail. The last photo is the best full body shot I have.

 

[tbtusk]

oops sorry messed that up. The first ventral shot is the middle of the body, the second is from towards the tail, and the one below is near the head.

 

[Blue Apple Herps]

I wouldn't call him a motley just to be safe. I have hatched out motleys with belly checks, but they had one or two really small ones and were from parents that were homozygous motley.

 

[blichtenhan]

Motley

Motley is my vote, but I would like to see whole body pics of the pattern.

 

[bekers71]

Guess the first question I have is what are the parents? I can see more checkers coming in so I wouldn't call it a motley.

 

[mike17l]

I am undecided. But, some lateral pics might help.

 

[medusacoils]

I am undecided. But, some lateral pics might help.

AGREE!! Try to get some of the entire snake! Top and Belly! Nose to Tail!

Wayne

 

[mike17l]

AGREE!! Try to get some of the entire snake! Top and Belly! Nose to Tail!

Wayne

Side shots.

 

[medusacoils]

Side shots.

Yes, them too! I forgot! Should we include front and back? LOL!

Wayne

 

[mike17l]

Yes, them too! I forgot! Should we include front and back? LOL!

Wayne

Nah, All I really care to see are the side shots. The side pattern is one of the most changed parts of the pattern in Motleys and Stripes, IMO.

 

[tbtusk]

Yes, them too! I forgot! Should we include front and back? LOL!

Wayne

LOL yes. Left side, right side, front, back, top, and bottom all coming! ...as soon as I get back from this barbeque this afternoon. Thanks everyone.

 

[medusacoils]

Nah, All I really care to see are the side shots. The side pattern is one of the most changed parts of the pattern in Motleys and Stripes, IMO.

Oh, I know what you were getting at! LOL! Excuse me though, I was having a moment!

LOL yes. Left side, right side, front, back, top, and bottom all coming! ...as soon as I get back from this barbeque this afternoon. Thanks everyone.

Bring me back sum chicken and tater salad!!

Wayne

 

[Drizzt80]

Guess the first question I have is what are the parents?

I agree. Anything from the breeder on the parents?

D80

PS. If it's het Stripe, it would also technically be het Motley if you determine that it's also Motley.

 

[tbtusk]

Actually I hatches out this snake. The parents are an amel stripe and a golddust het motley (sorry forgot to mention that in the last post). Right, so either this snake is het motley or het both motley and stripe, phenotypically a motley.

 

[Drizzt80]

Actually I hatches pit this snake. The parents are an amel stripe and a golddust het motley (sorry forgot to mention that in the last post). Right, so either this snake is het motley or het both motley and stripe, phenotypically a mot.

Incorrect. From that pairing you're going to be het Stripe (pheno - Normal) or het Motley & Stripe (pheno Motley). It's going to be def het Stripe from the Amel Stripe . . . IF it's actually a Stripe . . . IF it's actually an Amel Motley/Stripe, this snake could be homo Motley with no het Stripe.

That clear it up?!! :sidestep:
D80

 

[tbtusk]

haha I wrote the wrong thing, just a thoughtless mistake. Thank you for catching the mistake and correcting me, but I've been planning this breeding and raising these particular snakes for four years now, and I understand the genetics.

 

[tbtusk]

alright, I've got some more pictures! Their pretty low quality, considering I was using a flash and not really worrying about the details. You should be able to see the pattern fine though.The first side shot is from closer to the tail, and the second towards the middle of the body. I'll try gain in the morning if you'd like a better picture of the side. Towards the head, like most corns I've seen, the spots on the side are more elongated.

 

[Drizzt80]

haha I wrote the wrong thing, just a thoughtless mistake. Thank you for catching the mistake and correcting me, but I've been planning this breeding and raising these particular snakes for four years now, and I understand the genetics.

Sorry, I thought you were asking for help. My bad.

Have a good day.
D80

 

[tbtusk]

Drizzt80 -

please, understand what I mean. I'm not trying to be hard on you, or resist the advice. I appreciate what you are telling me, as it is perfectly correct, but I also like to get a little respect, no matter what my age. I don't appreciate it when someone immediately assumes I know nothing about these animals, which I have been fondly keeping and breeding for a number of years now. One incorrect word should not be reason for you to second guess everything I have said.

I do understand the genetics, but I DON'T fully understand how the genes express themselves. I don't have the experience to understand that. What I need to know is whether this snake, which appears to express the motley gene to some extent, is in fact likely to be a motley, or only het stripe. If you have an insight into this question, please, please tell me. I am all ears.


Everyone else-

I'm sorry for the interruption in this thread that Drizzt80 and I have caused.

Does anyone have a clue as to what this snake is? I'm very interested to here people's ideas on this. Thanks again everyone.

 

[Drizzt80]

I appreciate what you are telling me, as it is perfectly correct, but I also like to get a little respect, no matter what my age. I don't appreciate it when someone immediately assumes I know nothing about these animals, which I have been fondly keeping and breeding for a number of years now. One incorrect word should not be reason for you to second guess everything I have said.

I do understand the genetics, but I DON'T fully understand how the genes express themselves. I don't have the experience to understand that.

Yeah, okay, where is the disrespect? Where did I assume you know nothing?

I attempted to help answer your question by solving the genetic part. You have two possible answers (3 if your Amel Stripe is actually an Amel Motley/Stripe - Do you know for sure she's definitely homo Stripe???). Motleys have clear bellys, yours doesn't. Guess what, the only best answer you're going to get is "test it" unless there's something different you were looking for.

:shrugs: Again, good luck.
D80