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New Breeder, will need help and guidence

DrunkZombie

DrunkZombie

Corn Snake Owner
hey all, im new to the forum and ive been reading up on your hatchings. You all sound really kool and i cant wait to start speaking to you all.

Right i found my two "girl" snakes mating today (I now know that Slinky is a Boy)

I have been reading up on how too do all the egg laying and how too keep the eggs, i dont think i could bring myself to not hatch the eggs.

Ill tell you what i have learnt and if im wrong please tell me :)

Snakes mate:
wait untill she sheds her skin and then (or b4 she sheds) put in a laybox. I think ill use a little bit of soil and some moss.
Then when she lays her eggs (about 10 days after she sheds) keep the eggs at 24-29 Degree C and at 90-95% humid.
And then eggs hatch!



Does this all sound fine? Again i am TOTALY new to this and im thinking of calling myself a headless chicken at this point.

Ollie
 
I'll take a leap here, first thing you need to do is seperate your snakes(do a search on co-habitation, on this site). I believe it is 10-20 days after she sheds and incubation without an incubater could be difficult. Although you didn't say you had learned this it is around 60 days before they hatch. Good luck!
 
I'll take a leap here, first thing you need to do is seperate your snakes(do a search on co-habitation, on this site).
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Well ive looked up co-habitation, Ive had these snakes in the same cage for a good time now, They seem to be fine with each other (except the male goes jerky when the other snake touches it sometimes) But other than that, i feed them separatly and i find that they are often in the same log (there are 2 hiding places from them atm) They are the same age.

If i need to then i can house them in 2 different cages because i have 2 (i bought a . But the other one is a good size.
I believe it is 10-20 days after she sheds and incubation without an incubater could be difficult.
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Well again, i have another vib that i can use to make a housing for a small box. I have a heat mat, thermomiter and hydrometer, so i can make do without a incubator i believe? I don't know, ill have to set up and try it out. But i think i should be fine. I'm no expert :) tell me if I'm wrong :)

Ollie

P.S Ty for the help so far. everytime u get me talking about it I'm learning more and becoming more confident
 
DrunkZombie said:
Well ive looked up co-habitation, Ive had these snakes in the same cage for a good time now, They seem to be fine with each other (except the male goes jerky when the other snake touches it sometimes)
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Well, obviously it's not fine if they were mating. You should've known the sex of both before putting them together. How old are they?
Co-habitation is a big no no. I've seen some pretty ugly pictures of the results. Keep them separate from now on. Better hope the girl is in the right shape for all that.
 
The girl is perfectly fine, she has had eggs in the past, they are both 6-7 years old. They are both the same age and i wasnt too sure of slinkys sex (But i was aware that they might have babys) I wasnt going to chuck a 1 year old in with a 6 year old, thats mad with any species.

It seems that the whole forum is against housing snakes together, this kinda scares me becuase i now think that no one will take me seroiusly or even accept me. Ive seen the posts and find that anyone asking if it is ok for 2 snakes to be together gets a "No look it up" or "Its not really a good idea, look its up" which just points them to the "NO dont do it"

They are kept in my room next to my bed so i do see them quite a lot, if i think that an y of them are stressed or ANYTIHNG then i will move it to the other vib. But for now i think its fine.

To be honest, yes they are solatary anamals in the wild... but are we in the wild? Wild anamals generaly behave differnetly to tame... If i were to pick up a wild snake it would run/bite me, with the ones upstairs, they are fine and just have a look about.

Introducing a new snake to the one i had actaully calmd it down, it used to be up the walls and rubing its nose against the glass (at one point it cut itself [all fine now]) Now they are both calmer. Not stressed, but calm.

Ollie

P.S please dont hurt me :)
 
No for myself, I am not against you for co-hab. True the majority of people on this site don't co-hab. You should do what is best for you and your snakes. I felt from a point of stress on female it would be better to seperate them. Currently I know of a pet shop with several gravid females and one male in a viv with one small lay box. Of course there are many on this site who respect pet shop advice very little (me included). Sounds like you have incubater/viv worked out and you said you would test it out first.
Most who don't agree with co-hab it is because of stress, early breeding, cannabalism, not knowing which snake is doing what... but also because in the wild corn snakes are solitary creatures only coming together to mate. While it could be argued owning a corn snake is in itsef un-natural, it is nice to immitate nature as much as possible.
While I would not discount you from the get-go, and you do seem to try to be reasonable, others may discount you and there is nothing you can do about their feelings. Keep asking well worded question and you should get answers. again good luck, susan
 
This forum is full of helpful people that will do all they can to help advise others on how to offer the best care possible for their animals. Please feel free to continue to ask your questions as they arise and I am sure you will get the information that you need. There are also some very good books available that give you all the information in detail such as kathy loves corn snake manual. It can be purchased online through her website.

Best wishes to you and welcome to the forums.
 
DrunkZombie said:
It seems that the whole forum is against housing snakes together, this kinda scares me becuase i now think that no one will take me seroiusly or even accept me.
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Well, with a username like "DrunkZombie", being taken seriously couldn't have been your primary concern. :grin01:

I've cohabbed groups (2+) of corns before. That jerky business your male exhibits could be interpreted as stress. One problem with your arrangement is that your male could harrass your female while she needs the stress-free solitude of the pre-lay period. Stress at this time could lead to egg-binding and death. Do what you want when she's not "expecting", but you should separate them while she is. And if you're going to do that, you might as well set up permanent separate housing. Then if you want to breed them next season, the whole thing will be completely under your control. :)
 
If you're sure that co-habbing normally works for your snakes then that's your decision, as with all of us. However, do bear in mind that the "jerky" behaviour can be an expression of aggression or dominance outside breeding season. If both snakes are eating and behaving normally, they've maybe just settled into the dominant/subordinate roles and the boss snake may not need to throw his/her weight around.

Having said that, I've had males in with gravid females in the past and the males are just a pain. They harrass the females for mating and they follow them into the laying boxes so the females can't settle - that does pose the risk of females becoming eggbound. If you can find batchelor quarters for your male until she's recovered from laying, that really would be in her best interests. Although like any male, you can expect him to get a bit grumpy at being denied sex-on-demand when he's been used to it!

Your proposed laying box sounds good as do your incubation temps.

After that, you have to consider the housing, heating and feeding of the hatchlings.

They'll definitely need to be housed separately as the risk of cannibalism in much greater when they're young. Then I recommend that they should take three feeds in a row (defrosted pinks, no tricks), so that you can be confident of selling them as proven feeders. Do you have a good local reptile shop that you can sell to, or will you sell them direct yourself?

Also bear in mind that hatchlings aren't guaranteed to eat, so be prepared for the fact that you may have one or two that need to stay with you for weeks or months before they get into a feeding routine - you'll need to keep buying them food, even if they keep refusing to eat it. If you encounter that issue, there are plenty of existing threads about the tricks you can try.

Well, good luck and keep us posted on how things go for you.
 
well i think you will all be happy to hear that i have decieded to split them up, as you said, the male was following the female about so she is in the smaller vib.

:-offtopic I dont really have a fox, but the wild ones (a big family of them) used to come down and we would feed them, even taking the food out of our hands. But they would only take it from people they knew and would still run away with the food. The Foxes dont come anymore :(

Back onto topic :) As for my name "DrunkZombie" im really called Ollie and im from England and im 19 :) (i know its a bit of a silly name but ive had it for years)

I do have a local pet store so im going to go down there soon and either try and sell the babys to them or i will even give them. I dont really like the idea of selling them myself because i would want them to go to a new home (i would prolly say no to everyone :) )

Cheers guys :) Much thanks goes to all of you
 
DrunkZombie said:
:-offtopic I dont really have a fox, but the wild ones (a big family of them) used to come down and we would feed them, even taking the food out of our hands. But they would only take it from people they knew and would still run away with the food. The Foxes dont come anymore :(
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Oh, that's cool.

Anyway, I'm glad you separated the snakes. Good luck with the babies.
 
Yea good luck with the pregnancy! Yea good choice seperating them.

That fox is gow-geous

:cheers:
 
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