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New corn

sboyes

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Hi everyone
Got a couple of new corns today. I was told over the phone that the female was a creamsicle from 2 creamsicle parents. Now I've seen her I'm not too sure.
I think she looks a bit like a ghost, any ideas?
 

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Well,

definitely not a cream, looks like a ghost from the picture. Wonder why the person you got it from said it was a creasicle:eek:
 
yeah sorry, the other one is a male normal. Haven't got any pics of him yet, he's hiding away at the moment! Nice looking and quite red though
:D
Will post pics when I get him out out in a couple of days :)
 
Ummm...there are NORMAL creamsicles, too. They are also called rootbeer corns, I think. Maybe that is what the person meant. I would be hesitant to call them anything but creams if that is what you bought them as. If you all of a sudden decide they are corns and not corn/rat snake intergrades, then you will be deceiving people when you sell babies from these snakes. They will be thinking they are getting a "pure" corn, but may be getting hybrids.
 
thing is the person i got her from didn't now a load about corns, he mainly kept pythons. He was telling me about his friend who was selling a okeetee corn, apparantly okeetee's are black and white :confused:
Doesn't look like any creamsicle I've ever seen before so thats why I was doubting it. Shouldn't it be more creamsicle like if it was from 2 creamsicle parents?!
 
For one...Okeetees are NOT black and white. They are normal corns with broad black bands around their saddles. The black and white snake was probably a California King Snake.

For two...my creamsicles look like corns (mine are amel, though). Their color is a bit different. They are a "lighter" color amel. But the shape of them is basically the same. Some creams will look a little more like hybrids, but not all of them do.

As for looking more like a cream...if one of the parents was a "normal" cream and the other was an "amel" cream, then some of the babies would be normal creams as well.
 
yeah i know okeetees are like normals with thick black borders, i was just using that as an example of how little the bloke knew! ;)

I think i'll have to call it a creamsicle then as i am planning to breed her next year and i don't want to decieve anyone :)
 
I'm probably wrong about this as i'm useless with genetics but... if i breed her to an amel, then if she is a creamsicle i'd get some amel babies. if she's not a creamsicle, then i wouldn't!?!
as i said i know i'm probably completely wrong so please correct me!! ;)
 
If one of her parents was an amel cream and one was a normal cream, then yes, you should get some amel and some normal creams. If both of her parents were "normal" creams, then you may not get any amel creams.
 
so basically there's no way of me telling what exactly she is?
Doesn't really matter, just would be nice to know what morph she is :) I still like her whatever :D
cheers for all your help
 
Given that you're in the UK, how many creamsicles are actually available over there? I mean, I'm pretty ignorant on the issue, but I have noticed a real increase int he number of people that call their animals a name by how they look rather than by what they are genetically. That animal appears to be a pastel ghost to me, and in the eyes of a UK breeder, it may well have appeared to have a "creamy" look to it, thereby justifying (in that person's mind) the name "creamsicle. On the other hand, it may well have emoryi blood in it.

However, there is not going to be any good way to tell what your animal really is without some intensive breeding trials. Even then, you'll only have conclusions drawn from a preponderance of evidence, most likely.

This is exactly why it is so very important for us all to make certain that we know what we have and ONLY lable it for what it truly is. If we don't insist on calling intergrades and hybrids for what they are, the pool of cornsnake blood may become so fully infused with other snakes that a pure bred corn will be a thing of the past.

:(
 
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