Yes I've checked all the temperatures and everything. Because of what happened to my other snake, I have learned the protocol. In California we are in a heat wave (it is currently 100 degrees) but I wouldn't think it would affect Alfredo too much. We set our thermostat to 85 degrees for the under tank heater. We are choosing the smallest pinkies we can find to feed him until he gets bigger. We weighed him before his last feeding and he was 7.45 grams.
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DollysMom
It never gets old!
The heat wave is fine if you have air conditioning that is keeping the house in the low to mid 80s. If your house is over 90 it is dangerously hot for him.
7.45 grams is not the smallest baby corn snake and Alfredo should be able to eat 1 to 1.5 gram pinkies with no proboem. If your pinkies are larger cut them in half. For the regurge protocol I wouldn't feed him more than half a gram.
7.45 grams is not the smallest baby corn snake and Alfredo should be able to eat 1 to 1.5 gram pinkies with no proboem. If your pinkies are larger cut them in half. For the regurge protocol I wouldn't feed him more than half a gram.
Yes the house is air conditioned. He has eaten 5 times already with me with no problems whatsover. I was planning to feed him this upcoming wednesday because that will be 8 days since his last feeding. He has been eating the full pinkies just fine so should I just feed him a whole one?
axis1
Fuhgeddaboudit!!!!
WOW! Sorry to hear that Carnelian! That definitely sucks worse than getting sand in your motion lotion! UGH! Shucks! :face_palm_02:
However, don't despair! Just dust yourself off and get back on that sucker! Rather than beat yourself silly (use a feather!), don't get into the traps of despair! I would seek out, if you could afford it, an online supplier of pinkies or a reliable source where you don't have to second guess whether they're good or not. In the meantime, follow the regurge protocol. And exercise persistence and patience. if you do that with consistency, Alfredo should bounce back and you will just be that much smarter.
Sending as much positive energy your way as possible!
Dragonling
Doesn't do "casual"
The regurge could have happened for just about any reason. I've had 3 regurges with my '16s, different one each time for no immediately apparent reason. Perhaps one got startled by me shuffling around the room noisily, and maybe another decided to stay on the cool side for too long.
Hi I'm Carnelian's partner, and we have been keeping Alfredo at my place for the time being.
I fed him a pinkie head last night. Unfortunately I just got home and he regurg'd it.
We don't know what to do. We can't loose him like Neal.
I'll try again 8 days from today, so next Friday. I'm also going to get a fresh set of pinkies because I'm very certain the first regurg was caused by the Petsmart Pinkie- it was the only variable changed after 5 perfect feedings, and were the only pinkies we gave to Neal. Fk u petsmart.
I fed him a pinkie head last night. Unfortunately I just got home and he regurg'd it.
We don't know what to do. We can't loose him like Neal.
I'll try again 8 days from today, so next Friday. I'm also going to get a fresh set of pinkies because I'm very certain the first regurg was caused by the Petsmart Pinkie- it was the only variable changed after 5 perfect feedings, and were the only pinkies we gave to Neal. Fk u petsmart.
DollysMom
It never gets old!
I'm very sorry. You were warned that you were feeding too soon and you did so anyway. You are not following the protocol as laid out by Kathy Love.
Is there anyone who can foster Alfredo and take care of him until he is recovered enough and old enough to survive with you?
Of course he can't be moved for a while. For now he needs proper heat, clean water and a total rest from all feeding and handling. Try to find someone local who can save Alfredo.
Is there anyone who can foster Alfredo and take care of him until he is recovered enough and old enough to survive with you?
Of course he can't be moved for a while. For now he needs proper heat, clean water and a total rest from all feeding and handling. Try to find someone local who can save Alfredo.
Last night it was either the 7th or 8th day since he regurged, so either it was a day early or on the 8th day.
I understand your view that we may not be handling him correctly, but we have been following protocol to the dot, and the ONLY difference for his first regurg between the last 5 successful feeds was the petsmart pinkie. Also, the petsmart ones were the only pinkies that we had to give Neal. The first 5 that Alfredo ate were from a local reptile vivarium, and we only switched because we ran out of small ones (they're 1.5 hrs away by car, so not super close, and we did not know the pinkies made a difference).
I'm going to toss all the pinkies, drive to the Viv to get brand new frozen ones, change his bedding, and change his water.
I don't see how another person would make a difference in him surviving if we have done everything that was suggested.
Thank you for the "...survive with you?" statement, it helped a lot.
Sorry Dollysmom about coming off harshly, I'm just anxious and really worried about Alfredo, we don't want to lose him.
DollysMom
It never gets old!
No, you are not coming off harshly. And if you were, I can take it since I was very firm with you.
I know you love Alfredo. That is not in doubt. I said what I said to try to impress upon you how critical this situation is when I believed, based on the information I had, that you were not following the protocol.
You have my best wishes as you work through this.
I know you love Alfredo. That is not in doubt. I said what I said to try to impress upon you how critical this situation is when I believed, based on the information I had, that you were not following the protocol.
You have my best wishes as you work through this.
axis1
Fuhgeddaboudit!!!!
Hi there caruolo! How ya been?
While I totally understand your anxiety and concern for Alfredo (I don't think anyone is questioning both you & your partner's love for your pet), do you think you can understand Dollysmom's perspective and potential fear that in your panic to want to HELP, that you might unintentionally be causing HARM to your little sneaky one? The protocol strictly states the length of time it does due to the need for a young snake to be able to recover from a regurgitation, which includes the time necessary to rehydrate and recoup valuable gastric fluids lost though the original adverse event. If you review the date the regurge is reported, you will discover that only four (4) days, at the very most, have passed. Prematurely feeding Alfredo may have caused another regurge, which is now why it is even more critical NOT to feed him again unless and until he has had the opportunity to recover from yet another potentially life-altering event.
Sometimes loving and caring for our pets means restricting ourselves from doing anything but waiting and exercising patience, which can be much more challenging than doing something which you may think is proactive but which can actually cause harm. I hope you take this in the way it is meant, with love and concern and not with the intention of being confrontational in any way other than to to be helpful to you, your partner, and Alfredo!
Please keep us posted as to Alfredo's progress!
Dragonling
Doesn't do "casual"
Have you been using nutribac? Kathy also once advised me to (this will sound gross) dip the rear end of the pinkie in a healthy adult's feces to help replenish the gut bacteria as well as offering nutribac mixed in water via syringe (though I don't recommend doing that without prior experience or vet assistance).
axis1
Fuhgeddaboudit!!!!
Wow! Thanx for the information there Dragonling! Sounds interesting. And yes, you're right, extremely gross on more than ONE level! But if I knew it would help one of my little sneaky ones at a time when one of them were circling the drain, I would DEFINITELY do it!
Hey caruolo, maybe consulting a vet on this might be worth a try. You've got quite a few days before you should offer Alfredo even just a pinky head, no? Might be worth a call to ascertain your next best move. Didn't you have a vet you were in contact with in reference to Neal, if I remember correctly? Might be worth a shot!
Hello everyone,
It's been two weeks since Alfredo's last regurgitation. We went to a local pet store and they recommended to wait two weeks before feeding. Yesterday we attempted to feed Alfredo a pinky head, frozen-thawed, and he would strike at it but not bite it. He is moving much slower right now and has lost a lot of weight (he is now 6.1 grams). We are so worried and feel like we have run out of options yet again. We are planning to try to feed him every other day to see if he will eat, but leaving the pinky head with him in the container last night didn't work. Please let us know if there is anything else we can do.
It's been two weeks since Alfredo's last regurgitation. We went to a local pet store and they recommended to wait two weeks before feeding. Yesterday we attempted to feed Alfredo a pinky head, frozen-thawed, and he would strike at it but not bite it. He is moving much slower right now and has lost a lot of weight (he is now 6.1 grams). We are so worried and feel like we have run out of options yet again. We are planning to try to feed him every other day to see if he will eat, but leaving the pinky head with him in the container last night didn't work. Please let us know if there is anything else we can do.
axis1
Fuhgeddaboudit!!!!
Hi Carnelian! How ya been?
Haven't tuned in to the board since quite a few days (busier than a priest at Boystown lately!) but was pleasantly surprised to see you bump this thread back up since I have been wondering about Alfredo since his unfortunate crisis. I think the fact that he's striking is a great sign! Perhaps he can be encouraged to feed by a vet should all other attempts fail (tease- and assist-feeding can be done horribly wrong by the most well-intentioned individuals, so please don't attempt it if you never have done it before). I guess what I SHOULD be saying is that FIRST & FOREMOST, for now anyway, is to practice patience and persistence. Keep trying the pinky heads at 2 or 3-day intervals, if you can. Otherwise, I would think the intervention of a decent herp vet would be indicated very soon, especially if you notice he is weak.
Wish I could be of more practical assistance. Please keep us updated!