No Hyper traits in Corns?

[Thinks2Much]

I was discussing cornsnakes with my fiance, who is much more into ball pythons and other snakes. He likes to ooh and ahh at all the colors in my snakes, but he tends not to remember the genetics behind them. He asked me which corn morphs were the hyper versions. We have hypos in corns, which are decreased black/melaninistic, but I don't think we have hyper black/melanistic, or a hyper in any of the other locii for that matter. He said that sounded unlikely - that if we have hypos we should also have hypers. I said I didn't think so. Am I right in this? He thought maybe the bloodreds were a hyper red (like the reverse of anery which is a lack of red) but I explained that a bloodred couldn't be a hyper red, because it was a different locus.

Anyone know if there are hypers of any kind in corns? Would we just assume they were a selectively bred trait if we ran across one? What do you think one would look like? I am guessing that the pattern would still be respected, so a hyper melanistic would have solid black saddles on another ground color. What do you think?

 

[Serpwidgets]

Caramel could be considered a form of hyperxanthism.

As far as loci, a hyper- trait does not need to be on the same locus as a hypo- or an- trait.

Bloodred corns (I mean the actual red ones) could be considered hypererythristic, but the diffusion gene is not directly responsible for the increase in red. So there are hypererythristic corns, but no hypererythristic gene has been proven so far.

 

[diamondlil]

I've seen pictures of older corns with a melanistic wash, would that be hyper? Has anyone tried to get darker corns? I got totally overexcited over chocolate emori (sp?) until I realised they weren't dark corns

 

[cka]

Every so often someone posts pics of w/c corns that are really "washed" with melanin, but (here it comes) breeding trials would have to be done to "prove or disprove" whether or not it is a trait itself

 

[diamondlil]

My point exaclty, those dark washed corns look so differet, has anyone trialed them? Just to breed successive generations of darker specimens and get a line-bred trait would be a project someone may have tried?

 

[philip g c]

Are caramels not hyperxanthic?

 

[ecreipeoj]

When I read your post, Caramels and Bloods came to mind immediately, but Chuck beat me to it. I do think that they are potentially hypers, but do get lumped into the selectively bred for category. I guess us Corn Snake people need something that slams us in the face, before we will accept something like a hyper, when Ball people can see the slightest hypers, and sometimes see things that are not even there.

I hope to acquire some Volcanoes this year to eventually test them to Bloods. They seem to be hypererythristic too. At least the ones, that are supposedly Homo Volcanoes. The Hets seem to be brownish, which is probably in line with a Het hypererythristic, if it was co-dominant.

 

[paulh]

I'm inclined to think that caramel is hypoerythristic rather than hyperxanthic. I seem to remember that Rich Zuchowski suggested that, too.

I wish that someone would look at amelanistic and butter skin under a microscope. (Using amelanistic and butter skin would remove interference from melanin.) That might give us a better understanding of what carmel is doing.

Dichotomies like hyper- and hypo- generally turn out to be either too simplistic or just plain wrong. So I'm not going to worry about it.

 

[Raiden The Almighty]

I would cosider hyper to mean an over abundance of a pigment whether the pigment red, black or yellow. Now if you wanted to to get a little Theoretical you could say that any snake with a trait that either removes a certain pigment an animal has is hyper because the other pigments or (iridiphores) pick up the slack. Amels and bloodreds=hypererythristic, Anerys=hypermelanistic, and carmels and butters=hyperxanthic. I would not consider snows, pearls, blizzards, corals, or opals to be hyper because they don't have a sufficient amount of any pigment. If I am incorrect and hyper is a genetic trait please let me know.